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Offline Taristin

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Re: American health care system
Umm. no. It is illegal for an emergency room to deny treatment.
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Offline Kosh

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Umm. no. It is illegal for an emergency room to deny treatment.


It comes out of the state's pockets. Although it would cost less if these people were covered by the government in the first place.
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Although it would cost less if these people were covered by the government in the first place.

How?

Treatments cost the same either way.
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so in the u.s if you dont have health insurance and you get sick what happens ?

You die. Emergency rooms can't refuse treatment, but they can sue you into oblivion.

The US system would work beautifully if it could get its priorities straight. We currently give more health insurance benefits to illegal immigrants and prisoners than we do elderly people on Medicare. The answer here seems to be shifting the mass quantities of money from welfare for illegals and prison healthcare into the Medicare and Social Security general funds, making old people pay reasonable prices instead of $93.50 per month for Medicare and possibly even restoring the Social Security fund to its formerly expanding state. Bush, of course, would never sign off on something like this, opting instead for a plan to tax health insurance benefits as income.

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Although it would cost less if these people were covered by the government in the first place.

How?

Treatments cost the same either way.

Treatments are partially subsidized by money from the people who pay premiums and taxes and then don't need treatment.

 
Re: American health care system
which is just one reason why anyone who smokes is a dumb****, but you have an inlienable right to be a dumb**** if you so desire

And the responsibility to accept the damn consequences.

People are always quick to assert their rights, but rarely accept the responsibilities that go with them. My problem with the UK government is the way it seems determined to protect people from the consequences of their stupidity.
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I will admit to having a major brain fart with the "England" comment, at first I was going to write Britain but I knew that wasn't right, and without thinking I just wrote the other option that was in my head at the moment, ironically I would have been closer to right if I had stuck to my original reflex.
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america has a healthcare system? where i dont see it. ts must be hiding.
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Offline aldo_14

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Although it would cost less if these people were covered by the government in the first place.

How?

Treatments cost the same either way.

No they don't; this is privatised.  That is, everything is inflated due to competition and business conditions.  For example, (in the UK) any loans taken out by a private business come at a higher rate than the preferential ones given to public industries; also, there's no external source of funding or subsidisation as with public funded - not to mention the desire for profit.  In essence, public funded health needs to provide adequate treatment (not always the best, albeit that's why people can go Bupa if they have the spare cash etc) for as cheap as possible, whereas the business interest of private health means they need to provide the most profitable treatment.

Also, consider the normal response of business to money loss - to slash the budget through raising prices and sacking people.  That means that (unlike where treatment is funded and paid for you by the state, with the price regulated accordingly by a rather bigger fish than the patient) any sort of loss by a private hospital is likely to lead to less quality (staff) and less availability (price).  I mean, the statistics stand alone anyways - americans pay twice as much yet don't get a proportional return.

which is just one reason why anyone who smokes is a dumb****, but you have an inlienable right to be a dumb**** if you so desire

And the responsibility to accept the damn consequences.

People are always quick to assert their rights, but rarely accept the responsibilities that go with them. My problem with the UK government is the way it seems determined to protect people from the consequences of their stupidity.


People have a right to live; we can't exactly take a cancer patient and say "ooh, we think this might be caused by you smoking, so you should go and die now".  It's in the national interest to keep people healthy, anyways - when people get sick, it's not in isolation; family, friends, co-workers, etc all get affected. If you can't work, then you can't pay income tax. 

The truth is that the British government isn't, IMO, any more of a nanny state than the US, it just does it in a different way.  I've lost count of the number of times that I've seen criticism of the more reprehensible acts (desired to be) taken by our government, only to see the same thing being criticised has been silently inacted in the US.  But at least I can console myself with the fact that not only is it very unlikely I'll be shot going down to by my morning paper, if I do I won't need to drag out my credit card to get the holes plugged up. :)

 

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Re: American health care system
I think my point if it hasn't been made yet can be illistrated thusly

A man who has chewed tobaco every day of his life sece he was 19 gets cancer, he knew that it was probly going to happen the whole time, but he did it anyway, there is an opperation that will probably save his life but it costs $400,000. is it fair that he should die because he can't afford that? is it fair that everyone else should have to pay for his irrisposibility?

there are two schools of thought on this issue, and I happen to be in the yes,no one (as opposed to no,yes)

Okay but how does this work any better in America? Everyone who is with the same insurance company still has to pay for his irresponsibility.

to be honest when I look at England I see a rather repressive nanny state, but that's just my opinion.

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Offline NGTM-1R

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to be honest when I look at England I see a rather repressive nanny state, but that's just my opinion.

Put Janet's other nipple on TV and then try telling me that again with a straight face :p

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*Trawls the web for pics of Janet latest nipslip*
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