[Snail]

Don't forget Dreadnaught which is slightly smaller than a Supercarrier.

[Bob-san]

I'd definately reclassify some stuff...

Change the Levithan to Battlecruiser.
Change the Iceni to Attack Frigate.
Change the Athena to Fighter.
A few others, too...

[Snail]

The Iceni was a command frigate technically, but it could be classed as an attack frigate.

[Bob-san]

It's fast, it has alright armour, and it has a single side for anti-cap weapons... it's an attack frigate.

The point is that the Iceni can't defend itself from all sides; a characteristic I consider necessary to be a general-use ship or a defensive ship. It is, thus, an attack ship.

Still, it's a good ship for the size, speed, armour, and commander.

[Snail]

Technically, I said.

[NGTM-1R]

I thought the general concept of "Dreadnaught" was "Destroyer without fighterbay"?

Though arguably that's what the Iceni is.

[Snail]

The Iceni is smaller than a destroyer though. Still.

Perhaps it is.... Either or.

[Bob-san]

Yep...

Still, the Iceni is called a Frigate; I simply classified it a bit more specifically; an attack frigate. It's faster and has weaponry concentrated toward a single area (one side).

The Iceni as a Dreadnought is very far fetched; other then the amount of armour it has, it shares nearly nothing in common with a destroyer. It is over twice as fast (35m/s iirc) and is a fraction the size (800m iirc). It's definately not a dreadnought by your definition.

I'll personally be using the Monitor.

[Janos]

Yep...

Still, the Iceni is called a Frigate; I simply classified it a bit more specifically; an attack frigate. It's faster and has weaponry concentrated toward a single area (one side).

The Iceni as a Dreadnought is very far fetched; other then the amount of armour it has, it shares nearly nothing in common with a destroyer. It is over twice as fast (35m/s iirc) and is a fraction the size (800m iirc). It's definately not a dreadnought by your definition.

I'll personally be using the Monitor.

It's Dreadnought.
Dreadnought was simply a modernized battleship - instead of variable armament it had the same-caliber main batteries ("all big gun"), making it far more efficient than previous battleship models which sported many different calibers and gun types. The thing about Dreadnought is that it made all other battleship classes pretty obsolete overnight. After HMS Dreadnought was introduced in 1905 all battleship construction switched to ships of similar type. Iowas, Yamatos and so on are actually dreadnoughts, but nowadays the term is interchangable with the term "battleship". HMS Dreadnought was also fast and well-armoured, as well as being bigger and far more modern vessel than previous battleship types.

In science fiction, however, dreadnought is pretty commonly used to describe a certain type of vessel, a really big battleship which does not usually house a fighter bay.

A compact warship with less tonnage than a battleship but which is far more potent than a cruiser is a battlecruiser. They are described as either "upscaled cruisers" or "downscaled BBs", whatever suits you.

Of course, none of these traditions really mean jack **** when you can make up your own rules and pull history out of your ass, and in FS universe the entire naming convention is a huge mess anyways..

[NGTM-1R]

The Iceni is smaller than a destroyer though. Still.

Well, that's rather the point. If you take off the fighterbay and the ordinance storage and all that other stuff needed to operate fighters, the destroyer would shrink.

[General Battuta]

I think the idea is that you replace all that stuff with armor, weapons, and power supply.

Otherwise you don't have a dreadnought, you have an anemic carrier. 

[NGTM-1R]

Not if the shrunken destroyer was an Orion, which seems to be the whole thing behind the Iceni; it has 3 BGreens. Then you have the anticapital corvette of doom.

[Iron Wolf]

The Iceni as a Dreadnought is very far fetched; other then the amount of armour it has, it shares nearly nothing in common with a destroyer. It is over twice as fast (35m/s iirc) and is a fraction the size (800m iirc). It's definately not a dreadnought by your definition.

35/mps is correct, although according to the wiki the Iceni was 998 m long, just a hair shy of a kilometer long warship.

[Kosh]

Not if the shrunken destroyer was an Orion, which seems to be the whole thing behind the Iceni; it has 3 BGreens. Then you have the anticapital corvette of doom.

It is a bit weak in anti-fighter guns. Basically it could have been the GTVA's answer to the Lillith: An extremely fast, well armed and armored anti-capship frigate.

[Bob-san]

It was built for speed, for durability, and for the best broadsiding in the game! For its size, it's much better at a broadside then even the Big C.

[TrashMan]

In science fiction, however, dreadnought is pretty commonly used to describe a certain type of vessel, a really big battleship which does not usually house a fighter bay.

A compact warship with less tonnage than a battleship but which is far more potent than a cruiser is a battlecruiser. They are described as either "upscaled cruisers" or "downscaled BBs", whatever suits you.

Of course, none of these traditions really mean jack **** when you can make up your own rules and pull history out of your ass, and in FS universe the entire naming convention is a huge mess anyways..

I allways got the impression that in sci-fi a dreadnought is usually a big-ass ship with a single uber-weapon (think Homeworld 2 dreadnought), while a battleship is an equally big ship, but with lot's of "smaller" guns.

[Janos]

I allways got the impression that in sci-fi a dreadnought is usually a big-ass ship with a single uber-weapon (think Homeworld 2 dreadnought), while a battleship is an equally big ship, but with lot's of "smaller" guns.

Depends, but most sci-fi conventions use "überweapons" as a plot devices anyways and like to use them if possible. It doesn't really matter if a dreadnought sports a superweapon or not, in scifi it's usually a "big-ass battleship with a lots of gun (maybe a superweapon too)". (There are, of course, differences..) Does it have shields or not, does it have a rail particle beam tachyon cannon or not - pretty irrelevant to the point at hand.

One should also remember that in real-life history the single-caliber main armament + advanced FCS of a dreadnought-type battleship was a really potent weapon and made other types pretty much obsolete overnight, so a supergun-armed capital ship is not that distant idea anyways!

[Dark Hunter]

I allways got the impression that in sci-fi a dreadnought is usually a big-ass ship with a single uber-weapon (think Homeworld 2 dreadnought), while a battleship is an equally big ship, but with lot's of "smaller" guns.

Then I guess Strattcomm's Archangel suits the class perfectly.

[Polpolion]

I always thought dreadnoughts were command ships an the flagships of fleets, and had lots of money wasted on fancy weapons and armor, and never get deployed for combat.

[Snail]

I see Supercarriers fill that role more, with Dreadnaughts doing the heavy fighting.