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Offline Polpolion

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So it's spring break here. No school. So for some reason, I got up at 9am the other day, and watched 'kiddie' shows. There was this one song saying stuff like "you are unique/ special" and stuff like that.

So my question to you is: Why is being unique so great?

Personally, I think it's just an excuse from saying that you don't fit in somewhere.

Your views?

 

Offline Turambar

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I am surrounded by rednecks

if i wasn't unique, i'd kill myself.
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Offline Janos

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Everyone's unique and people just like to point it out. It's also pretty safe - by accepting "unique" people you also accept all kinds of lifestyles which isn't a bad thing. We're quite individualistic, at least for a pack animal.

People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.
lol wtf

 

Offline vyper

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^^ as above.
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Offline Desert Tyrant

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Everyone's unique and people just like to point it out. It's also pretty safe - by accepting "unique" people you also accept all kinds of lifestyles which isn't a bad thing. We're quite individualistic, at least for a pack animal.

People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.
Hit the nail on the head there.

 

Offline vyper

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I hope we're not all missing the irony of the last three posts... :D
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Offline Ghostavo

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Everyone's unique and people just like to point it out. It's also pretty safe - by accepting "unique" people you also accept all kinds of lifestyles which isn't a bad thing. We're quite individualistic, at least for a pack animal.

People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.
Hit the nail on the head there.

 :rolleyes:
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Offline Desert Tyrant

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Everyone's unique and people just like to point it out. It's also pretty safe - by accepting "unique" people you also accept all kinds of lifestyles which isn't a bad thing. We're quite individualistic, at least for a pack animal.

People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.
Hit the nail on the head there.

 :rolleyes:
**** you

 

Offline Ghostavo

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Maybe my choice of smiley was wrong but, am I that wrong from pointing out the oddness of "People get pissed off when someone categorizes them." (a categorization in itself) answered by a non-agressive "Yes, we do.".  :confused:
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Offline Janos

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Maybe my choice of smiley was wrong but, am I that wrong from pointing out the oddness of "People get pissed off when someone categorizes them." (a categorization in itself) answered by a non-agressive "Yes, we do.".  :confused:

Oh crap I misread and thought you were making a sassy non-content reply. My mistake. Of course I categorize, because everything is categorized, like this keyboard and these letters. And this gas mix we breathe we know as air, and that is a dog..
lol wtf

 

Offline Ghostavo

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Maybe my choice of smiley was wrong but, am I that wrong from pointing out the oddness of "People get pissed off when someone categorizes them." (a categorization in itself) answered by a non-agressive "Yes, we do.".  :confused:

Oh crap I misread and thought you were making a sassy non-content reply. My mistake. Of course I categorize, because everything is categorized, like this keyboard and these letters. And this gas mix we breathe we know as air, and that is a dog..

That's not the point I was making. I meant the reply being an exception of sorts to the rule made about the people being pissed off.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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So my question to you is: Why is being unique so great?

Being unique means that you're irreplaceable, and that in itself is a very powerful motivating factor. If you can reduce an individual down to a set of criteria, each one of which the individual can be considered to have a more or less desirable skill in, that person has now become replaceable. Now all it takes is someone better at, say, riding a bike to come along, and instantly that person has become less-than-desired, and nobody really cares because the new person can easily fill that person's spot.

Being unique also means that no matter who you are, or who you're interacting with, that other person can always learn something about you. There is no way to quantify you, as long as you're unique, because nobody can look at things exactly like you would, or predict exactly what you're thinking. Why is this so great? Because it means that nobody can ever take your place. It means that as long as your own set of perspectives and opinions still has relevance to a group, you are useful and interesting to a group. Somebody can't just step in and kick out three people by dint of being able to see things and speak and react exactly as they would.

There's also the pioneer factor as well. If everybody is unique, then it means that nobody's ever lived their life before. It's instantly a sort of adventure, because nobody knows how you're going to turn out in the end.

To some extent, people do give up uniqueness so that they can be a part of a group and get along better with people. (Imagine being a part of a community where everybody was "unique" that they all spoke their own language...or all had their own completely different interests. Finding common ground to bond on would be difficult, to say the least)

Let's carry this over into artifacts as well. Would common sense dictate that one completely unique piece of art by a famous artist would be more valuable, or one of a thousand pieces of art mass-produced by that artist? If you had to choose one or the other, which would you destroy? Again, being unique is valuable because once that one piece of art is destroyed, the idea it contained is lost forever. If there are a thousand other copies that are virtually identical, well, it's a shame that the original was destroyed, but the idea still remains.

So in some sense, being unique can be a weakness, because it means that a person also risks losing what they stood for (if they stood for anything) or anything else that they value about themselves, forever, because they are unique. If you have a talent for art and you choose not to exercise it, and you die, that talent and whatever it may have produced is gone forever. Nobody else can step in and make a prediction based on your psychological profile or whatever. If anybody wanted you to produce art, then they will be sorely disappointed. And if your art would have gone on to change society, or have an impact, or even just become well-known, you will have completely lost that opportunity to make a difference.

Of course in that case you probably wouldn't feel too guilty about it, because you were dead and would have either no concerns, or other, more pressing, concerns in the afterlife of your choosing. But suppose you have a great idea for a painting, and then you suffer some sort of paralysis. Well, there's not really any way for you to actually make that painting. Sure, you can explain it to somebody, but they won't have your hands and they won't have your brain. The painting produced will not be what you would have produced, and it may very well never be completely satisfying.

And of course it doesn't have to be art, either. It could be some form of writing, a business (or product), something fun you want to do, or anything else that you can personally contribute to.

And finally, but by no means the last reason, if something is unique, it cannot be compared to anything else. If you are truly unique, nobody can sit down and judge your absolute worth. That is a very powerful motivator to be "unique", because it means that nobody can judge you or argue that you should or shouldn't do something to simply be "better".

And technically, not only is each person unique, but on an atomic or subatomic level, they're instantaneously unique. That is, the person you are this instant will never exist again. The atoms and energy patterns that make up your body will never be in the same configuration again.
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Offline WMCoolmon

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People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.

IMHO:

IF someone categorizes themself as part of a group, they are saying that part of them is associated with the group. They're saying, OK, I'm part of the group, but that group only holds a certain part of my life; there are a lot of other parts of my life that don't have anything to do with the group. But as long as they're part of a group, they gain the support (presumably) and any side benefits of being part of that group.

Now somebody else comes in and starts referring to that person as a member of that group. They aren't identifying that person as a whole; they're only focusing on a part of that individual. Oh, they're just an engineer; or, Oh, they're just a black person. They deprive that person of their uniqueness, and in so doing, they also deprive them of a level of apparent power; because once they start referring to that person as just a member of that group, and leave out every other aspect of that life, all they need to do is to understand the general nature of that group to judge them.

It's saying that they (the people generalizing) don't need to know that person individually in order to understand why they think or feel the way they do. All they need to do is to understand why the group, in general, reacts that way.

Example time: Let's say that person Abel has just hired Beth to do a label design for their company. Abel has an idea for the logo already, but simply lacks the artistic ability in order to draw it up with the quality that he needs. When Beth sees the label, she insists that it's too boring and lacks any kind of pizazz. Abel shrugs off her concerns because 'she's just trying to be unique, like any artist'. Beth, individually, may have substantial marketing credentials and an intuitive sense of what's catchy to people and what's not. That's not necessarily true for all artists, so in classifying Beth as just an artist, Abel totally discounts her opinion on the subject.

Of course, from Beth's point of view, her skill as an artist is a genuine asset. It lets her do the jobs that she does, and lets her bond quickly with all sorts of interesting people, and make connections that others might not be able to. In her mind, she is more than just some artist.

Whee! :D
-C

 

Offline Janos

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People like to categorize themselves as being a part of some pool but damn if they don't get pissed off when someone else roughly categorizes them. I think this might have something to do with the whole individualistic approach but right now I cannot pursue or elaborate it any further so mmpfh.

Oh crap, words!

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IMHO:

IF someone categorizes themself as part of a group, they are saying that part of them is associated with the group. They're saying, OK, I'm part of the group, but that group only holds a certain part of my life; there are a lot of other parts of my life that don't have anything to do with the group. But as long as they're part of a group, they gain the support (presumably) and any side benefits of being part of that group.
Indeed. People also identify with groups, and some strong interests may easily overwhelm the weaker ones - for example, birdwatcher are generally very friendly and supportive to each other and gang up against "outsiders", despite most of them only having the birding in common.

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Now somebody else comes in and starts referring to that person as a member of that group. They aren't identifying that person as a whole; they're only focusing on a part of that individual. Oh, they're just an engineer; or, Oh, they're just a black person. They deprive that person of their uniqueness, and in so doing, they also deprive them of a level of apparent power; because once they start referring to that person as just a member of that group, and leave out every other aspect of that life, all they need to do is to understand the general nature of that group to judge them.
And they quite often also somehow succeed in mislabelling those they are trying to label, and attach some attributes that are "known to be common in group" into someone who belongs in said group, even if it's completely false. "Oh you are an engineer, so can you fix my phone because engineers do that lol".

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It's saying that they (the people generalizing) don't need to know that person individually in order to understand why they think or feel the way they do. All they need to do is to understand why the group, in general, reacts that way.

I would also like to point out the obvious - when groups are large enough and one studies them then the individuals are nothing but noise and source material. If I am talking about internet forum actives, I don't have to consider everyone's interests, I just have to find large common themes. This is, for some reason, offensive to people who don't often quite get statistical analysis.

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Example time: Let's say that person Abel has just hired Beth to do a label design for their company. Abel has an idea for the logo already, but simply lacks the artistic ability in order to draw it up with the quality that he needs. When Beth sees the label, she insists that it's too boring and lacks any kind of pizazz. Abel shrugs off her concerns because 'she's just trying to be unique, like any artist'. Beth, individually, may have substantial marketing credentials and an intuitive sense of what's catchy to people and what's not. That's not necessarily true for all artists, so in classifying Beth as just an artist, Abel totally discounts her opinion on the subject.
Of course, from Beth's point of view, her skill as an artist is a genuine asset. It lets her do the jobs that she does, and lets her bond quickly with all sorts of interesting people, and make connections that others might not be able to. In her mind, she is more than just some artist.
Well Abel is pretty goddamn dumb by dismissing her by association  ;)

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Whee! :D
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lol wtf

 

Offline Bob-san

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Are you unique?

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Offline Polpolion

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Example time: Let's say that person Abel has just hired Beth to do a label design for their company. Abel has an idea for the logo already, but simply lacks the artistic ability in order to draw it up with the quality that he needs. When Beth sees the label, she insists that it's too boring and lacks any kind of pizazz. Abel shrugs off her concerns because 'she's just trying to be unique, like any artist'. Beth, individually, may have substantial marketing credentials and an intuitive sense of what's catchy to people and what's not. That's not necessarily true for all artists, so in classifying Beth as just an artist, Abel totally discounts her opinion on the subject.

Yeah, but in this situation, Abel just had a massive ego and was being a dick.

 

Offline WMCoolmon

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Are you unique?

That fork would make a ****ing nasty weapon.
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Offline Bob-san

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Are you unique?

That fork would make a ****ing nasty weapon.
Even if it didn't, it would still be funny to watch someone try!
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Offline redsniper

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It'd probably do a better job not all bent out of shape actually...
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Offline Mr. Vega

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Domine Jesu Christe. That was some nice channeling of Sartre there WMCoolmon. Good work.
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