Author Topic: Problems with armor.tbl (Read 4095 times)

Ratri · **on:** May 15, 2007, 05:39:32 pm

Hi I just wanted to point out a few problems I have with armor.tbl
First of all "Cutoff" function doesn't seem to work with Beam weapons. Just so you don't think I made some error the function works perfectly for missiles, bombs and lasers. I know that Beams apply damage every "few fractions of a second" so I tried bumping up the "+Value" in the calculations up to billions or trillions and still no effect.

Secondly there is a problem with the "Multiplicative" type function.
For example I entered the following in the armor.tbl:

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#Armor Type

$Name:Energy_field_Sathanas
$Damage Type: Laser
	+Calculation: Multiplicative
	+Value: 5000
#End

Then I put Laser type damage into the Subach entry and gave the above armor type to the Sathanas.

When I fired the Subach which should now have 5000 times greater effectiveness against Sathans it reduces 3% of the integrity when it should reduce 15% seeing as how Subach has 15 damage times 5000 times two gunpoints equals 150,000 and Sathanas has 1000,000 hitpoints. However the real problem is that every new volley will reduce less and less hitpoints. The damage is dropping exponentially as the hull integrity drops. By the time I get to 5%-10% target hull integrity it takes several dozen shots to drop the hull by even 1%. Finally as I get to 1% the Sathanas no longer takes any damage (I accelerated the time 64 times and no dice).

I used the search but no one has ever brought up these problems.
Are they problems or am I just a newb who can't see the obvious solution?

karajorma · **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2007, 06:17:14 pm

Give the Subach the supercap flag or test it on something other than a juggernaut. The 75% damage cut-off for non-supercap weapons used on a supercap ship is probably throwing all your tests off.

Ratri · **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2007, 07:04:59 pm

Yes the "supercap" and "huge" flags solved the Multiplicative error I had thanks.
However I still have no idea how to get the Beams to work. It seems that no armor function works with them.
Are beams implemented in armor system yet?
Example:

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#Armor Type

$Name:Test1
$Damage Type: Beam_cannon
	+Calculation: Multiplicative
	+Value: 0.0001
#End

It changes nothing. I have LRed and SRed beams fired at Cain class cruiser (shot from Ravana).

Wanderer · **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2007, 02:13:22 am

And you added the required 'damage type' and 'armor type' lines to the respective ship and weapon classes in ships and weapons table files?

Ratri · **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2007, 05:13:27 am

Yes I did.
Excerpt from Cain:

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$Hitpoints:                     20000
$Armor Type:			Test1
$Flags:                         ( "cruiser" )

Excerpt from Lred and Sred:

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$Damage:                        600				
$Damage Type:				Beam_cannon
$Armor Factor:                  1.0

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$Damage:                        200				
$Damage Type:			Beam_cannon
$Armor Factor:                  1.0

Like I said I managed to get bombs and lasers to work without a hitch but when I try the same for beams there is no effect.

Ratri · **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2007, 09:22:04 am

Ran into some additional problems.
How do you define multiple armor types? For example I wrote this into the table:

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#Armor Type

$Name:Shivan_capital
$Damage Type: Laser
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 80
$Damage Type: Explosive
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 120

$Name:Sathanas_energy_field
$Damage Type: Laser
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 300
$Damage Type: Explosive
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 8000
#End

I get the following error:

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Error: armor.tbl(line 11:
Error: Missing required token: [#End]. Found [$Name:Sathanas_energy_field]  instead.

File:J:\src\cvs\fs2_open_3_6_9.final\code\Parse\PARSELO.CPP
Line: 659
[This filename points to the location of a file on the computer that built this executable]

Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

So it would seem I need to put "#Armor Type" and "#End" delimiters around each armor type but if I do that the game doesn't recognize the second armor type. For example I gave the second armor to Cain and "Explosive" type to Helios bombs and the bombs had the same effect on the Cain even though they should've been cut off.

Wanderer · **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2007, 02:57:50 pm

Hmmm.. Multiple armor entries work just fine for me... With each entry having separate "#Armor Type" and "#End"

Ratri · **Reply #7 on:** May 17, 2007, 10:50:23 am

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Hmmm.. Multiple armor entries work just fine for me... With each entry having separate "#Armor Type" and "#End"

I figured out the solution: If I put the Damage Type connected to bombs first and then ones connected to lasers and such then everything works.
However I am still unable to get the Beam weapons to pay any attention to the armor types. Have you tried anything with beams and does it work?

taylor · **Reply #8 on:** May 17, 2007, 11:24:33 am

Quote from: Wanderer on May 16, 2007, 02:57:50 pm

Hmmm.. Multiple armor entries work just fine for me... With each entry having separate "#Armor Type" and "#End"

... which is now fixed. It should work the same as all other tables now. And yes, it is still compatible with the way that you are doing it.

I also fixed a localization bug in the same place, though I'm not sure if anyone had actually hit that before.

Wanderer · **Reply #9 on:** May 17, 2007, 12:46:06 pm

AWESOME!

Though... There seems to be no interaction going on with beams and armor.tbl.. that is nothing happens. Though i couldn't get 'no pierce shields' to work with beams either.. Shots went straight through the shields (though i saw shield effects) and damage was applied on to the hull, even though i had set armor factor to 0 and shield factor to 1

. Could be something odd with my test too but i couldnt see anything obvious with a quick glance.

Though the build i was using is pretty old (CVS fs2_open_r_20070228.exe)

taylor · **Reply #10 on:** May 17, 2007, 01:55:32 pm

Quote from: Wanderer on May 17, 2007, 12:46:06 pm

Though... There seems to be no interaction going on with beams and armor.tbl.. that is nothing happens. Though i couldn't get 'no pierce shields' to work with beams either.. Shots went straight through the shields (though i saw shield effects) and damage was applied on to the hull, even though i had set armor factor to 0 and shield factor to 1 . Could be something odd with my test too but i couldnt see anything obvious with a quick glance.

Can you post/PM some test data for me to look at?

I'm tired of dealing with the new multiplayer stuff at the moment, but I'm still in a bug hunting mood, so today is the day to get me fixated on something like this.

Ratri · **Reply #11 on:** May 17, 2007, 02:19:23 pm

For example:

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#Armor Type

$Name: Test_armor
$Damage Type: Beam
	+Calculation: Multiplicative
	+Value: 0.1
#End

or

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#Armor Type

$Name: Test_armor
$Damage Type: Beam
	+Calculation: Multiplicative
	+Value: 0.1
#End

And of course
$Damage Type: Beam
and
$Armor Type: Test_armor in whatever beam and ship you want.

Wanderer · **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2007, 02:54:23 pm

Here goes.. Simple test setting using 'Howler' named fighter beam. Both Howler and Prometheus R are of 'Beam' damage type. Mission features fighters and containers both with and without armor type and shields (fighters only).

[attachment deleted by admin]

taylor · **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2007, 04:06:47 pm

Ok, beam/armor problem fixed. I'll look at the no-pierce-shields problem later tonight.

Any other armor related bugs that I need to look at while I'm going through that code?

taylor · **Reply #14 on:** May 17, 2007, 05:36:53 pm

Piercing shields problem is now fixed as well. Also, I disabled beam impact explosions on shield hits, and fixed a bug where damage was applied twice if there was a beam exit.

Ratri · **Reply #15 on:** May 17, 2007, 06:04:11 pm

Damn you are fast.

As for other bugs I already mentioned it and it's not much of a bug since I found a workaround but still:
If I give $Damage Type: Explosive to missiles and bombs and $Damage Type: Laser to laser turrets and write this into the armor.tbl:

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#Armor Type
$Name:test
$Damage Type: Laser
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 100
$Damage Type: Explosive
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 10000
#End

now lasers (like Subach etc.) will be cut off and so will small missiles like Rockeye, Harpoon etc. however bombs like Helios will still impart normal damage and not be affected by the armor.tbl.
But if I switch places like so:

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#Armor Type
$Name:test
$Damage Type: Explosive
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 10000
$Damage Type: Laser
	+Calculation: Cutoff
	+Value: 100
#End

now everything works as it should be: both lasers, missiles and bombs given the Explosive damage type are cut off. Like I said not much of a bug but still kind of weird.

taylor · **Reply #16 on:** May 17, 2007, 07:58:29 pm

That one was a "freak of nature" bug.

Basically the order isn't an issue. The problem was that you aren't accounting for damage from the shockwave from bombs, which is creating extra damage. But it did point out a bug, the damage type for weapon shockwaves was getting set to 0 by mistake. That's why the swapped order worked for you, the shockwave was getting the "Explosive" type in the second case, which zero'd out the damage. I fixed shockwaves to properly be set to no damage type by default, but you'll need to make sure and give you shockwave for the weapon in question a damage type of it's own (or the same type as it's parent).

So, fixed that one too.

Ratri · **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2007, 09:45:35 am

Great thanks. And all in the same day!

Ratri · **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2007, 06:04:27 pm

I was also wondering about something else although I'm not sure this can be solved through armor.tbl.
What about asteroid and debris impact? Could that be controlled so that ships with thicker armor don't get damaged by it so hard?

WMCoolmon · **Reply #19 on:** May 27, 2007, 04:01:53 pm

New fields:

asteroid.tbl

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;;...
$Max Speed:
$Damage type:
$Expl inner rad:
;;...

Note that damage type on debris has no effect at the moment.

ships.tbl

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;;...
$Show Damage:
$Impact:
   +Damage Type:
$Impact Spew:
$Damage Spew:
$Debris:
   ;;...
   +Damage Type:

Which adds:
1) Asteroid-ship collision armor
2) Ship-ship collision armor
3) Debris-ship collision armor

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