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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
Why do you need a purpose? It's in the Constitution.

 

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I have always felt that the American people should have the rights given in the constitution and no more, in other words, if they are in a well-ordered militia (the stated reason for the right to bear arms), they can carry the weapons that were available when that right was given.  In other words they would be allowed to carry muzzle loading, smoothbore, flintlock and and matchlock weapons only.
What purpose would this serve?
It'd be rather difficult to conduct a drive-by shooting with a musket. Drive a metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre...

 

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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
I have always felt that the American people should have the rights given in the constitution and no more, in other words, if they are in a well-ordered militia (the stated reason for the right to bear arms), they can carry the weapons that were available when that right was given.  In other words they would be allowed to carry muzzle loading, smoothbore, flintlock and and matchlock weapons only.
What purpose would this serve?
It'd be rather difficult to conduct a drive-by shooting with a musket. Drive a metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre...

I would almost want to see it happen for the comical value.
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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
It'd be rather difficult to conduct a drive-by shooting with a musket. Drive a metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre, stop, shoot, reload, drive another metre...
rofl...

the point remains though that people find ways to kill each other, most guns used in violent crime are

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the point remains though that people find ways to kill each other, most guns used in violent crime are
Sure, but can you start sniping people from the belltower with a hunting knife?

Guns make killing, especially killing en masse, just too damn easy. We're an innovative species, we can kill a man with just about anything smaller than a house, but where's the sense in having a society saturated with objects designed from the ground up to kill people?

 

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So yesterday I was walking down a residential street, and a brown SUV stops next to me, the passenger pulls out a gun, points it at me, and says "You wanna die?" And they drive off.

WHAT THE ****!



heh... watch the admins lock this as spam.

Well seeing as how everyone in America has a gun, pull out your gun and just shoot him without even bothering to ask :drevil:.

 

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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
I have always felt that the American people should have the rights given in the constitution and no more, in other words, if they are in a well-ordered militia (the stated reason for the right to bear arms), they can carry the weapons that were available when that right was given.  In other words they would be allowed to carry muzzle loading, smoothbore, flintlock and and matchlock weapons only.

What purpose would this serve?
Why to enable the American people to protect themselves from the English of course!  Kings gotta have his taxes you know!
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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
The point I was trying to make earlier... but I left out a rather crucial word before:

American culture is at fault, on pretty much any station teenagers watch for instance, you see guns next to barely clad women and nice cars. Watch BET and MTV on mute for half an hour, and the extent of this will sink in.

Most gun crimes are committed with unregistered weapons; so banning guns will just restrict the people who obey the law.

 

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Most gun crimes are committed with unregistered weapons; so banning guns will just restrict the people who obey the law.
Until you can show me some concrete statistics that demonstrate that people with guns are safer than those without, that argument remains utter bollocks. Honestly, do you think your little brush with disaster would have turned out differently had you possessed a gun? Do you believe it would turned out better had you challeneged their gun with your gun?

 

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No, but if they had stopped the vehicle, and gotten out, this would have given him a window of opportunity to draw his weapon.  Unless you want to hope that they really won't use theirs.

BTW, all this talk about banning guns reducing crime is rather funny.  Crime has been around since just after the start of human existence.  The 9/11 hijackers didn't have guns... you don't really need guns, all you need is the will to kill someone and a tool only helps.  You could take martial arts and become a killing machine if you wanted to.  The only reason that wouldn't work, is, well, the fact that some people have guns, and might decide to stop you.  :p

 

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Guns make it a hell of a lot easier to kill someone.  People always seem to forget that.

Guns can be used for somewhat proactive things in the right hands.  The problem being that you can't always tell who intends to use the gun for a criminal act, and who intends to use it for something within the law.

I think it's much too easy to get a gun in the United States today.  The shooter at Virginia Tech wasn't even a full citizen.  He purchased the weapons he used on a green card.  Which I believe shows way too much leniency in gun control.

For me a preferred system would involve a gun owner going through yearly psychological exams, yearly safety classes, and records of all firearms owned.  Should a gun with the same serial number as one owned by a registered owner show up in the hands of an uregistered owner the registered owner must show proof the gun was stolen or acquired without their knowledge or face legal action against them.

That's just the tip of the iceberg in my ideal system.  Just, a total ban doesn't work with me.  I think guns keep a balance between those in power and the people which was I believe intended from the nations founding.  Even though it's obvious a 30-06 isn't going to stop a tank, it can do something.

Guns in modern times seem to have almost become a popular culture icon.  It's strange, it seems the media attention guns get has given them a stigma causing people to want them.
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BTW, all this talk about banning guns reducing crime is rather funny.  Crime has been around since just after the start of human existence.  The 9/11 hijackers didn't have guns... you don't really need guns, all you need is the will to kill someone and a tool only helps.  You could take martial arts and become a killing machine if you wanted to.  The only reason that wouldn't work, is, well, the fact that some people have guns, and might decide to stop you.  :p
You can kill someone with damn near anything, but guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing. Why have objects that serve no other purpose than to kill, circulating freely in a society?

 

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It's useless trying to convince the yanks that their guns are dangerous, and that they contribute vastly to the crime and homicide rates in their country. But I'll try, with some statistics!

In 2000, the United States had the sixth highest murder rate per 100000 people in the western world, being beaten out such bastions of law and order as Russia, South Africa, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia. And that wasn't an anololie - it's consistently been in the top ten for years, decades even, and there's no real reason for it. People aren't fighting over resources, or out of any need to fight in the richest country on the planet. So why are there so many murders? I can think of two reasons. Number one is the wide availability of guns making it easy for an argument to escalate into murder. Of course, you might say that if an argument has escalated into murder, then the murderer probably would have found a way to kill the other person anyway, if he's that angry. So we're left with option number two, that the US is just a very angry country. Well, don't you think a country that angry should maybe try to reduce the numbers of guns their people have available to kill each other with?

Australia enacted wide ranging gun control laws after Martin Bryant went ****mix and killed 35 people in Tassie in 1997. Twelve days later, the parliament voted to bring in a huge buy back scheme that saw massive numbers of firearms removed and destroyed between July of 1996 and August of 1998. There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998. Total homicides went down by 9% that same year, and gun related deaths by any cause (accident, suicide or homicide) reached an 18 year low. There are four times more gun related deaths per head of population in America than there are in Australia - partly because you're a bunch of crazy pricks, but there'd be a whole lot less if there weren't more guns than people in your messed up country. What can you possibly need that many guns for? And it's not just here, for the record. Canada's gun control laws between 91 and 95 led to a 30 year low for gun deaths. The UK banned handguns in 1998 (I think) and there was a 17% drop in firearm related crime in Scotland, and a 13% drop in England and Wales. And these are western countries, as close an analogue as you can get for the US, though without all the insanity and ridiculous gun culture you people have developed for yourselves. Do you think these figures are coincidence? Is there any evidence - anything at all - which supports the idea that guns prevent violent crime like you people keep saying they do? And if so, does any of it come from, say, Western Europe or New Zealand or somewhere where the crazy ****nuts in the NRA aren't funding it?

There are somewhere in the vicintiy of 300 million guns in the US, and something like 350000 reported firearm thefts every year. Firearm thefts are how guns become the supposedly more dangerous unregistered version of guns. 64% of gun owners own at least one handguns, which are the primary form of firearms used in dangerous, violent crime. Whatt he **** do you need so many handguns for? You can't hunt weith them, they're basically militarily useless, so there's no protection from tyranny or the evil returning English, and only a small percentage of those hanguns are the antique versions people pretend to claim make up the majority of civillian handguns. So what do you need them for? Protection? From the people with guns? That's circular logic, and ridiculous - if you reduced the legality of handguns, you could reduce the overall number of handguns in circulation, making it less ****ing likely that the guy creeping into your house at night would have a gun. And besides, if he has a handgun, and you have a hunting rifle trained on him, you're going to win. So use that to protect your bloody house. Keep it under the bed - it'll be just as accessible as the handgun in your draw, and probably a lot harder for your kids to kill themselves with.

You stupid ****ing yanks with your stupid ****ing guns. Grow the **** up! Dickheads!
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As for a lack of crime compare the situation of Lisa Potts (teacher of a school class attacked by a man without a gun), and Liviu Librescu (killed trying to protect his students during the recent Virginia tech shootings).
As for my idea about limiting the gun types, a one shot pistol can be used kill a crazed lunatic or a mad dog, but not easily for a large-scale shooting. ( of course, if the lunatic did not have a gun himself you could stop him without a gun).

Black Wolf: the arrogant rudeness of people like yourself does not help the issue at all.

 

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Black Wolf: the arrogant rudeness of people like yourself does not help the issue at all.
Arrogant rudeness? He's just pointing out the statistics of the issue and drawing a logical conclusion from them: Guns = Dangerous. Gun-loving Yanks = Ignorant dickheads. If more people could come the same conclusions as Black Wolf, the world would be a much safer place.

Simple as that.

 

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Man i love these moments on HLP.


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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
Until you can show me some concrete statistics that demonstrate that people with guns are safer than those without, that argument remains utter bollocks.



Although i'm English to the very core, i must admit, The yanks would've been pWND without their muskets. Independence day is proof of safety with guns.
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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
*applauds*

It all comes down to bashing the United States because it's the popular thing to do anymore.

I see people in online games that just scream AMERICA DEVIL BUSH CHILDREN and love trying to act superior.  Funny thing is, they never ask you if you support bush or the war, they just ****ING ASSUME.  The instant you assume something you are wrong.



When it comes to guns, **** it.  People will get guns in the U.S. whether it's legal or not.  Mexico has a huge black market that would keep the U.S. constantly supplied should a ban ever be enacted.  The routes for drugs are already there, so they would then just be used for trafficking firearms.

A law won't do a damn thing.  Just make it a little harder for collectors/hunters to get them.  People seem to forget that Britain and Australia are ISLANDS, it's easy to control the movement of guns when it would all have to be done by sea.  When you have two countries at your northern and southern borders, one being a pretty crime infested place, it's damn near impossible.

A ban on guns would just result in a prohibition like economy for them.  Guns and crime are in the American mindset, in part due to ethnic strife and the image popular culture has stapled onto them.
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Re: The neighbrohood has gone to the dogs
I'm not bashing the USA, i just gave an instance of when being of possesion of a gun was very handy. In fact it helped quite a bit i'd imagine. Not only does the above reference backup the counter statement but it shows an example of america being genuinely victorious.


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