[AlphaOne]

A quaestion popped into mi hean these days.

Are there any other sentient races out there beyond GTVA space ?

This is a problematic question because for all we know all othr races out ther on an equal level of tech with the GTVA or even less advanced as the GTVA but still capable of subspace travel would likeli be destroyed by the shivans.

However I have come to the conclusion that this is may not be the case. Why? Because as we know shivans have a habbit of appearing in arasd where there are usualy wars which in term bring forth much subspace activity. However subspace activity on an equal level of that during a war could be brough forth by intens comerce between different planets or solar sistems!

So it is my belief that there should be othr advanced races out ther beyond GTVA controled space.

This is further reinforced by the Ancient monologues which sugest they encountered many other races advanced enough to posses subspace travel . Now the shivans might ignore them if they were harmless enough but not the ancient which were a serious threat.

What is your take on this?

[Nuclear1]

Sentient races planetside, yes.  Spacefaring, I would find very difficult to believe.  The Shivans seem to be acting as a galactic police force (or the "Great Preservers" that the game calls them) and wiping out species that become spacefaring quickly (the Ancients, Vasudans, and Terrans).  The only reasons the Terrans and Vasudans haven't been wiped out yet is because they've managed to repel the Shivans twice.

Or who knows, there could be another race out there that's scored the same luck as the GTVA.  All I'm saying is that when a race uses subspace for the first time, the Shivans are automatically tipped off and move to wipe out or contain whatever race it is.  They might've detected said new subspace usage and used the Great Capella Freeway to get there quickly, seeing as how the GTVA was quite thoroughly limited and contained already with most of its fleet wiped out in Capella.

[BlueFlames]

As I recall, the Ancients monologues also state that the ancients had a habit of wiping out races they encountered.  Though there may well be races way, way outside of GTVA space, it's going to take many years to explore the space previously occupied by the ancients, before reaching any systems that have any possibility of housing a sentient species not wiped out by the ancients or shivans.  I wouldn't say it's totally impossible, as a galaxy is a big place, but you're talking about centuries of exploration, travel, and dodging/fighting shivans.  Of course, something could be a single jump outside of Regulus, but it seems unlikely.

[blackhole]

Or they could invent some superfast way of going through subspace and be able to explore the entire galaxy in a week. Or something. You never know what the crazy people making the storylines will come up with next

[haloboy100]

Or they could invent some superfast way of going through subspace and be able to explore the entire galaxy in a week. Or something. You never know what the crazy people making the storylines will come up with next

They already made one. It's called sync

[Hades]

The Damn reason it takes so long to explore is cause the ships are slow.Especially Destroyers.
And with sync It is Screwy.It takes them all over the Galaxy.And were they dont want to go.

[haloboy100]

well it would be boring if it DID work, now wouldn't it??

[Sir T]

The surest sign of intelegent life in the univers is that none of it has tried to contact us..

[haloboy100]

and most certainly not command.

[Dark Hunter]

As I recall, the Ancients monologues also state that the ancients had a habit of wiping out races they encountered.  Though there may well be races way, way outside of GTVA space, it's going to take many years to explore the space previously occupied by the ancients, before reaching any systems that have any possibility of housing a sentient species not wiped out by the ancients or shivans.  I wouldn't say it's totally impossible, as a galaxy is a big place, but you're talking about centuries of exploration, travel, and dodging/fighting shivans.  Of course, something could be a single jump outside of Regulus, but it seems unlikely.

I feel it relevant to point out that the Ancients were exterminated 8,000 years ago. And that both the Terrans and Vasudans are within very close range of the Ancient homeworld (or, at least, a populous Ancient planet): Altair IV. That means that either they developed naturally within those 8,000 years or the Ancients enslaved or ignored them. Therefore I do not find all that unlikely that there would be other races somewhat nearby that got treated in a similar manner, and may have subspace capabilities.

[blackhole]

Then again, we humans are supposedly backwards, having crazy amounts of technology but almost no brains

[haloboy100]

except for a lucky few like Einstein 

[AlphaOne]

Well I so not believe that the ancient wiped out all of the advanced races. Some of tehm could very well have given up or joined with them after some "persuasion" ! I mean sure they were a super power but even super powers would likeli avoid casualties if they can "convince" you of the "error" of your ways. Also please note that the ancients had expanded for years even centuries into the galaxy conquering enslaving etc. And yet they did not came unde imediat attack by the shivans because they weer using subspace. A more correct way of putting it is that they were the galactic thug while the shivans acted as the galactic police force. Sure they ende up decimating the ancients empire and presumably exterminated  them. But hey nobody is perfect.

Perhaps they learned from the fact that destroyng an entire race is not the best way to maintain the peace......who knows....!

All i'm sayng is that even 10% of the races conqured by the ancients survived and evolved (from the ancients monologues to it is sugested there were many races perhaps hundreds) then the GTVA if it continues to expand and colonize will surely run into another race(s). To me it is not a question of will it happen but rather when will iot happen.


Sure not any time soon because I do not see the GTVA capable of funding any long range expeditions but then again since the GTVA is starving for new jumpnodes (safe jumpnodes) or rather they will definetly try to discover any and all subspace jumpnodes in order to better protect themselfs then that will surely lead to them running into some other race.


I wonder if they will go about this the same way the Ancients did will they try to work toghether or will they try to subdue them? If i'm gooing to with how GTVA command thinks then they wil shoot firts then ask questions and when the questions are not answered they will blame it on some admiral or captain or maybe even AlphaOne execuet him and replace him with his clone.

[Mad Bomber]

I actually had an idea along these lines, but at present I have no way of implementing it to my satisfaction, as the way I imagine them in my mind is rather detailed and I have (as yet) no modeling ability.

The species in question would be called the Chalgasi, a semi-humanoid species that evolved on a heavily metallic world. Not metallic to the point that they're robot people or something (that seems dumb to me frankly), but they, and most terrestrial animal species native to Chalas, would have ferrochitinous armor plating.

I've thought through what their ship designs would be like, too (including civilian ships) but have yet to actually draw them. Mostly they'd be vertically-oriented ships mounting railguns and very, very heavy armor plating.

(Think of something with the overall shape of a Kushan Mothership or a Sharlin. Then picture it if it were kitbashed together from the head of a Nebulon-B and several WW2 model battleships. You'd get something approximating a Chalgasi destroyer.)

[AlphaOne]

Actualy the reason this popped into mi head is because i'm stuck on a storyline ! I have several species in mi head but with almost no modding skills yet or the time to learn i'm rather stuck at writing. But then again there is a question :what kind of species would be left alone by the shivans? would they be primitive or advanced similar to the GTVA ??

Who knows i'm just asuming here ! But asuming there are none left besides vaudans shivans and terrans would be a grave mistake an an arogant asumption.

[blackhole]

what kind of species would be left alone by the shivans

None?

[Black Wolf]

There are at least one or two, or three (point five I guess) out there so far. Of those only the Lizard/Bektah ships are available for download though.

[Getter Robo G]

I would think even in the Milkyway alone there has to be a few primitive species left (meaning only as advanced as basic solar spaceflight, NO SUBSPACE)...

Now think of the many other Galaxies out there. Maybe the Shivans can't get there or it's too far to matter, OR maybe the Shivans ARE extra galactic and that's their home base!!!!

Maybe there are other "pockets" of resistance out there and none of them are aware of the others...
(Like the GTVA)

[Grizzly]

Joshua would like to state that the GTVA is... small, there are a lot more stars out there, not all of them could be blown to bits by the shivans

[TrashMan]

As I recall, the Ancients monologues also state that the ancients had a habit of wiping out races they encountered.  Though there may well be races way, way outside of GTVA space, it's going to take many years to explore the space previously occupied by the ancients, before reaching any systems that have any possibility of housing a sentient species not wiped out by the ancients or shivans.  I wouldn't say it's totally impossible, as a galaxy is a big place, but you're talking about centuries of exploration, travel, and dodging/fighting shivans.  Of course, something could be a single jump outside of Regulus, but it seems unlikely.

In 8000 years new races can emerge from the ruins of the old ones...