[Mefustae]

I guess that means my ideas aren't valid .

No, of course not. You're just coming across a bit of a prat.

Joshua was out of line to make the remark, but you've got to agree that a white, heterosexual male claiming that the world would be a better place without black/gay/feminist/democrat demonstrations is a bit Republican, eh?

[Grizzly]

Sorry about that... I think I would have completely freaked out if you left out "Demonstrations"...

[TrashMan]

Nope, it's a defect, just like limbs, just like triploblastic body shapes, just like lungs, gills, eyes, smell and a million other things that creatures use to survive on a daily basis. Every single one of them is a defect that has carried on until it divides that organism into a distinct species. That's how evolution works, and if you believe in Creation, it gets worse, because either God creates gay men (and women), or he makes mistakes.

LOL... explain to me HOW homosexuality helps us to survive.

So, in a way, homosexuality is a defect, but that does not neccesarily mean it is a bad or restrictive one, just like having limbs, eyes or intelligence. It's certainly not speceitic divider, it is not impossible for a Homosexual to breed, they merely choose not to (and considering the adoption debate, it's not that they have no urge to raise young).

Limbs are used to move...eyes to see...what's the use of homosexuality? It's got NO positive purpose WHATSOEVER. It's negative effects are minimal, that's true, but are still there...thus a defect. period.

It just surprises me that a country adopts a 'Freedom of Expression' clause, creates a monogomous society, and then gets all up in arms when some of that society decides to be same-sex preference because they didn't want that much Freedom of Expression.

"decides"?? Theres no decision involved here...It's not a "lifestyle choice" regardless how some prefer to call it liek that. You're either born that way or not.

You see, it still doesn't go near my original point, which is mankind is not unique in using bisexuality, that societal views can visibly change over time and that homosexuality, even if it IS a 'brain defect' is still a factor of humanity, even if I adhere to your somewhat vague description, which I don't because 'hormonal imbalance' and 'brain defect' are two entirely separate conditions whether you acknowledge it or not, it's still no better than refusing to acknowledge anyone else with some kind of 'disorder'. That's why this is powered by fear and prejudice, because no matter what side of the line you stand, it's still the wrong thing to do.

Rubbish.. whether it appears somewhere else has nothing to do with it.. cancer and a whole s***load of other desiseas, deformities and defects appear trought the animal kingdom. Should we accept them as a "standard" part of humanity and not try to cure them?

And IMHO, it's partially a problem of people not acknowledging other people with some kind of disorder, but also partially that some people with a disorder refuse to face the truth about their condition.

Fear and prejudice are slowly but surely fading away, the majority of people have the mindset of, "OK.  You're gay.  I care."
Sometimes people think, "STFU about being gay already.  You said it many times before, there's no reason to continue saying it."
Perhaps even, "Throw that god damned flag away!!  You gay pride activists make me SICK!!  I dont walk down the street in parade, waving a special flag because I'm straight, why should you because you're gay?  Give me one good reason, dip****!!"

I bet society would accept homosexuals a lot faster if they didn't shove their 'agenda' down our throats...  Pun intended.

[achtung]

I don't care if someone's gay, I just don't want to see them up in my face with "I'M GAY AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT" when I didn't have a problem with it in the first place.  Gay pride parades are just that, pointless screaming that I don't really want or need to hear.

People can do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't cause an inconvenience to others, violating religious belief not counting as "inconvenience" BTW.  Considering religious belief is a choice, so you're choosing to be inconvenienced. 

[Mefustae]

I don't care if someone's gay, I just don't want to see them up in my face with "I'M GAY AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT" when I didn't have a problem with it in the first place.  Gay pride parades are just that, pointless screaming that I don't really want or need to hear.

Oh, and remind me again why people can't just walk away or, heaven forbid, ignore gay-pride celebrations if they have such a problem with it?

[achtung]

I don't care if someone's gay, I just don't want to see them up in my face with "I'M GAY AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT" when I didn't have a problem with it in the first place.  Gay pride parades are just that, pointless screaming that I don't really want or need to hear.

Oh, and remind me again why people can't just walk away or, heaven forbid, ignore gay-pride celebrations if they have such a problem with it?

Well, they sure don't make them easy to ignore.  The news eats em up, and it's hard not to see the news nowadays.  I'm not complaining though, up until this point I've not really had the problem I mentioned earlier.  Whether it's going to happen or not is up to chance.

[KappaWing]

Sometimes people think, "STFU about being gay already.  You said it many times before, there's no reason to continue saying it."
Perhaps even, "Throw that god damned flag away!!  You gay pride activists make me SICK!!  I dont walk down the street in parade, waving a special flag because I'm straight, why should you because you're gay?  Give me one good reason, dip****!!"

I bet society would accept homosexuals a lot faster if they didn't shove their 'agenda' down our throats...  Pun intended.

I don't care if someone's gay, I just don't want to see them up in my face with "I'M GAY AND YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT" when I didn't have a problem with it in the first place.  Gay pride parades are just that, pointless screaming that I don't really want or need to hear.

Well, what did the blacks do when they were denied equal rights? they made a big stink about it! (Remember MLK?) Then do you know what happened? Things changed for them! I admit though some homosexuals aren't quite as tact as the rest of them would like them to be, it doesn't change the fact that they need to get peoples attention, demonstrate their numbers, and demonstrate their will to get things changed.

I realize some people are offended by the gay pride events where there is much indecent exposure, etc. But I only know of that happening on a regular basis in California, and even there the percentage of gay pride events with this happening is minimal, maybe only two or three a year. Remember, only the indecent/outlandish ones get the news! (Those in America will understand California is a totally different culture that people who grew up in other areas can never hope to understand.) Ive been to many gay pride events in my area (Michigan) and Ive not seen anything that even borderlined indecent.

[TrashMan]

If it were peacefull marches like Mr. King did it I wouldn't say anything...but 90% of all gay prides I witnessed were...sick, peverted, uncalled for.

parading in black learther thongs with whips and signs "Peversion is OK!"... gah! Makes me wanna shoot em.

[colecampbell666]

Euuugghhh.

[KappaWing]

If it were peacefull marches like Mr. King did it I wouldn't say anything...but 90% of all gay prides I witnessed were...sick, peverted, uncalled for.

parading in black learther thongs with whips and signs "Peversion is OK!"... gah! Makes me wanna shoot em.

Well for one you live in Croatia.... Things work much differently over there.

...Are you sure you weren't witnessing a BDSM community celebration instead?

[Flipside]

It's amazing, the amount of selective reading going on from both Scuddie and Trashman is unbelievable, you don't know what it is or what causes it, but it scares you, and THAT is why Gay Pride exists.

As has been pointed out, and once again, simply saying 'Bah... that's not the same thing' doesn't change a word of it, they are genetically, and evolutionarily errors, as I said in my first post, but you both chose to ignore it, it's not along the same lines as Arms or Lungs, but that doesn't make it any the less natural, and does not always mean it needs 'curing'.

Once again though, it's better to zero in on homosexuals because they are...well.. homosexuals, and everyone knows we should pick on them because...well.. they have sex with other men. It's that which it boils down do, and that which they've been persecuted with for years. That's why, when Pride was finally formed they took it to extremes.

As has been mentioned before, there are a great deal of traits that are considered 'errors' and a great deal of prejudice against them, stop whining and they'll stop winding you up, trust me, you get offended only at Gay Pride festivals, you only have to read this thread to see what way attitudes go for the rest of the year.

If you dislike having Gay Pride rubbed in your face, then fine, but this whole 'Homosexuality is a disease' bull**** is generalisation and vague speculation that even Scientists aren't certain of how or why it exists, but you've already decided that it's something 'different' from say having a Birth Mark.

[TrashMan]

Well for one you live in Croatia.... Things work much differently over there.

...Are you sure you weren't witnessing a BDSM community celebration instead?

Very sure. Things don't work differenently back here...unless by different you mean that Gay Pride parades don't act like a magnet for every perv in a 100 mile radius

It's amazing, the amount of selective reading going on from both Scuddie and Trashman is unbelievable, you don't know what it is or what causes it, but it scares you, and THAT is why Gay Pride exists.

As has been pointed out, and once again, simply saying 'Bah... that's not the same thing' doesn't change a word of it, they are genetically, and evolutionarily errors, as I said in my first post, but you both chose to ignore it, it's not along the same lines as Arms or Lungs, but that doesn't make it any the less natural, and does not always mean it needs 'curing'.

No Floppy...I read every single word written in this thread. If anyone here is selective and ignoring, that would be you.

I've stated more than enough reasons as to why I think like I do.. all are valid.
If you think otherwise - well...that's your problem. Live with it.

[Flipside]

No Floppy...I read every single word written in this thread. If anyone here is selective and ignoring, that would be you.

I've stated more than enough reasons as to why I think like I do.. all are valid.
If you think otherwise - well...that's your problem. Live with it.

Well, since you're going to start calling me Playground names, and basically stick your fingers in your ears, yes, I think I'll live with it, thanks

Edit: I won't lock this thread, since I'm invloved, but if it's going to sink into rather pathetic jibes like that, I think it's time it happened.

[TrashMan]

Well, since you're going to start calling me Playground name

Tsk, tsk ...

maby it's better you do lock it.....it ran it's course anyway.... and I see there's little to discuss left anyway

[karajorma]

Intelligence is the main trait that defines a human. How can it possibly be a defect? And I fail to see how it stand in the way of reproduction..

Did you even click the link?

God dammit guys, will there EVER be a time when you don't make yourselves look like complete imbeciles?

Any more of that and you'll be getting a lovely simian avatar.

[Scuddie]

It's amazing, the amount of selective reading going on from both Scuddie and Trashman is unbelievable, you don't know what it is or what causes it, but it scares you, and THAT is why Gay Pride exists.
Yeah.  It scares me.  Did you come to that conclusion on your own, smart stuff, or did you use that bizarro logic you have?

As has been pointed out, and once again, simply saying 'Bah... that's not the same thing' doesn't change a word of it, they are genetically, and evolutionarily errors, as I said in my first post, but you both chose to ignore it, it's not along the same lines as Arms or Lungs, but that doesn't make it any the less natural, and does not always mean it needs 'curing'.
Homosexuality has zero to do with genetics and evolution, as I have been saying from the beginning, but you choose to ignore it.  It is a disorder, but it is not an affliction.  Some people (i.e. you) just can't see that.

Once again though, it's better to zero in on homosexuals because they are...well.. homosexuals, and everyone knows we should pick on them because...well.. they have sex with other men. It's that which it boils down do, and that which they've been persecuted with for years. That's why, when Pride was finally formed they took it to extremes.
There is a subtle difference between gay pride demonstrations and MLK type demonstrations.  How is anybody supposed to take them seriously when they don't have an assertive attitude about social equality?  Oh, I know, they can dress up in gimp suits and use long pink dildos and swordfight with them.  What a great idea!

As has been mentioned before, there are a great deal of traits that are considered 'errors' and a great deal of prejudice against them, stop whining and they'll stop winding you up, trust me, you get offended only at Gay Pride festivals, you only have to read this thread to see what way attitudes go for the rest of the year.
Yes.  There is a great deal of prejudice against them, but barely a fraction as much prejudice as the blacks had to deal with.  Now the black American community has FAR less prejudice against them (still a bit more than homosexuals), but they are still going with the same movement...  but that movement doesn't happen to be one involving big lipped, bloody knuckled old men listening to quasi bluegrass music while eating ribs and watermelon in their raggedy overalls and saying "We's aims to please".  These demonstrations are supposed to disarm stereotypes, not reinforce them.

If you dislike having Gay Pride rubbed in your face, then fine, but this whole 'Homosexuality is a disease' bull**** is generalisation and vague speculation that even Scientists aren't certain of how or why it exists, but you've already decided that it's something 'different' from say having a Birth Mark.
I never said it was a disease, I said it was a defect.  As a gamer, I would expect you of all people to know that some bugs are irrelevant in nature, and some are actually beneficial.  Homosexuality being a defect is in no way a generalization, and scientists are very certain how and why it exists.  And yes, it is different from having a birth mark.  Homosexuality is not a pre-birth skin lesion.

EDIT:  Where is Raa/Taristin when you need him?  He'd be one to agree with me.  He being...  you know...  intelligent and all.

[Flipside]

Yeah.  It scares me.

Have you ever considered that the entire reason that some people dress up in catsuits etc is because it inspires raging fury in people who think of them as somehow 'imperfect' and hate the nature of that imperfection being waved in their face? I don't agree with flamboyancy as seen in Gay Pride parades any more than you do, but I don't get so vehemently acidic about it as you do, so, with you, they achieve exactly what they set out to.

Secondly, as far as I'm aware, the cause of homosexuality isn't 'clearly known by scientists' in the slightest, there are STILL massive arguments going on in that department.

Finally....

He being...  you know...  intelligent and all.

As Karajorma said, any more of that and I don't care if it looks bad.

Edit: Locked, if the response to my every comment is going to be interlaced with infantile comments and insults then there is no point continuing.

[karajorma]

Any more of that and you'll be getting a lovely simian avatar.

You were warned Scuddie. Enjoy a holiday from the off-topic for a few days.