[IceFire]

Oooh...Bearcat!  Always liked that ship...would use it as often as I could.  Sorely underappreciated in WC4.

[gevatter Lars]

Indeed the Bearcat was kinda cool.

[nowd]

Indeed the Bearcat was kinda cool.

It was cool. It handles like an arrow, is fast like a Razor and can take even more punishment than an Excalibur.
But there are 2 things i hate about that fighter.
1)It has light tachyons with only 50 damage and 30 nj Energy drain. Normal tachyons have 70 cm and 40 nj Energie drain.
2)It has the worst gun arrangement in the entire series. It has a very broad silhouette and the guns are placed at the outer edge of the wings. Honestly i think that this will render the fighter almost useless in the Freespace engine.

[Scooby_Doo]

Convergence is now available.

[Tolwyn]

I am not sure. I remember Bearcat being fairly powerful last time I flown it in Saga. That was 4 years ago I believe.

[nowd]

I remember Bearcat being fairly powerful last time I flown it in Saga. That was 4 years ago I believe.

Then i've said nothing. . I just noticed that it is quite difficult to hit something with fighters with similiar gun placement (like the Artemis in Freespace). But if you say it performs well i'll guess i'm wrong.

[Tolwyn]

I said I believe it was powerful. I am not sure. But I guess you will have to find it for yourself. The package is ready - I did not test it ingame though. And of course, it is not fully balanced. 

Download

I would like to tweak a few things and I guess, I'll add the Concordia-class, which was removed from the game as well.

[nowd]

There is a typo in the link. However this this one worked. 
But there is another problem: I get an error message:

Error: wc4-wep.tbm(line 89:
Error: Required token = [#End] or [$Name:], found [$Pspew: ]
in weapon: Stormfire Mk1.

File:J:\src\cvs\fs2_open_3_6_9.final\code\Parse\PARSELO.CPP
Line: 659
[This filename points to the location of a file on the computer that built this executable]

Call stack:
------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------

[Wolfy]

yer. Then the same error again for the next few lines down on the weapons table

i took out from where the 1st error starts in the weapons table unitll the end of that weapon, and fred loads fine. However, im not going to try it ingme without that section back into the weapons table and working.

Anyone know how?

oh, and just cs i can:

[Tolwyn]

bah, it did work for me. I'll check the table using good old 3.6.9 EXE.

[Wolfy]

WCS has of VP files where in the original FS2 there where only 1 or 2 VPs with all these things in.

surely it would speed things up in modding if everything was all within one VP?

[Tolwyn]

surely it would speed things up in modding if everything was all within one VP?

why would it speed things up? You have to extract data files only once. And it makes it easier for us to patch the game.

Anyway, here is the updated version. I have no idea why 3.6.9 complains about particle generation entry. It also complains about table syntax, which is correct according to 3.6.10 builds I use. Go figure.

Download

[nowd]

The new stuff is cooooool. And i was wrong: The Bearcat rocks (besides its out of energy in 2 seconds  ).
The Banshee is quite powerful. With four lasers and 2 Mass Drivern it is almost more efficient than the Arrow.
The Stormfire is really cool. If used together with the primaries it can be very deadly.
But I got a problem with the Vindicator and the Dragon(it really has unlimitd afterburner  ). They don't have their standard Tachyon Guns.

But thats a minor problem. The models are great and the WC4 package at all is a great addition for WCSaga. 

[Tolwyn]

I told you - I did not test this stuff ingame. So some values might be incorrect. It is up to you now to correct them.

[nowd]

I told you - I did not test this stuff ingame. So some values might be incorrect. It is up to you now to correct them.

Alright then. I just downloaded VP view and VP mage. Time to learn modding, i guess. 

[Tolwyn]

take a look at this page - should make things a bit easier http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Ships.tbl

[nowd]

Thanks, but including the standard Tachyon was quite easy. It works fine.
Now the Dragon is just as overpowered and overgunned as it used to be. 

But the FS wiki is very informative. I'll surely take a look. I guess you can do some interesting things with .vp editing. 
Maybe i'll try to do a bit of balancing work with the WC4 fighters

[Tolwyn]

well then, carry on then.

[Wolfy]

good luck

im keeping the ones i downloaded as they are, im not really fussed about balanceing mine.

what u where saying about the bearcats energy, just increase power to the guns from either shilds or engines (or a it of both) it doesnt need much more energy to have a longer mount of fire rate

[Tolwyn]

Still, they could use a bit of tweaking.

We've completely rebalanced weapon/shield energy after the release of the Prologue using new features granted by 3.6.10 EXE