[Mobius]

Many things are open to changes. Did you hear of those pyramids in Bosnia? They could re-write the history of the human species.

Or that other theory according to which the Sphynx preceeds the Egyptian civilizations of thousands of years.

One of the great philosophical questions of existence. The obvious answer to be thrown at you, of course, is that God gave us free will and the right to choose. We were given infinite power without infinite perspective, this is what happened. It is a measure of his respect for our right to self-determine that he refuses to intervene.

On the other hand, there is also another classic question. I once heard it phrased as "Nevermind why God would create a universe filled with such evil. Why would God create a universe at all? He is complete unto himself, isn't he?"

Meh. The man is far from being perfect because of evolution(I'm refering to its physical aspect). Why do we have the remnants of the tail? Why do we oftentimes have problems with our teeth, caused by the evolution of our brain(with negative influences on our mouth)?

[karajorma]

Many things are open to changes. Did you hear of those pyramids in Bosnia? They could re-write the history of the human species.

How? They're no older than Stonehenge.

Or that other theory according to which the Sphynx preceeds the Egyptian civilizations of thousands of years.

Yeah, that one's bollocks.

[G0atmaster]

It's starting to sound to me like it takes a LOT less blind faith to believe in Christ than it does to believe a lot of the stuff our culture takes for granted these days.

[karajorma]

Just cause it sounds that way doesn't mean it is that way.

It still takes a **** load of faith.

[Edward Bradshaw]

Yeah, because Christians never start big wars.

Crusades? How long ago was that? Ancient history. Can you immagine something liek that happening now? I sure as hell can't...and another thing - that war wasn't against other Christians
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Isnt Bush a Christian?   

[Edward Bradshaw]

'cause God is omnipresent.  You can't hide from Him.  He knows not only what you're doing, but why you are doing it, and your thoughts as well.

Yea yea, just like Santa

He knows when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake, he knows when you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake.

Ed

[Edward Bradshaw]

Excuse me, sir.  You make gross assumptions here.  For your information, I was an extreme atheist for the first fourteen years of my life. 

Of your LIFE? Because young teenagers arent impressionable?  Why were you an atheist?

[G0atmaster]

mkay... two pointless posts.


Impressionable nothing.  I investigated for six months before making my decision

[Edward Bradshaw]

mkay... two pointless posts.


Impressionable nothing.  I investigated for six months before making my decision

So why were you an atheist and what changed your mind?

[Edward Bradshaw]

You know there are catholics who would blow themselves up if he said it should be done.

HM...maby a few.

How many would blow themselves up if their local priest or bishop said so, and the pope said otherwise tough?

Maybe I missed it but can we all remember groups like Christian Indentiy the terrorist cult. Or the Neo Nazi party which are all fundamentalist right wing Christians last time I checked, the KKK are the same. How about the abortion doctor murderers.

They dont seem to commit suicide as often, but that doesnt make too much of a difference when showing the nutty side to Christianity.

[Edward Bradshaw]

You can't get something from nothing, according to science, correct? 

Only up to a point. In the quantum realm you can and its why talking about the first cause of the big bang is a moot point.

Well, every moron on this planet can notice that we indeed have this thing called sentience, called intelligence, called life, called matter, called energy, and many other things.  They must have come from somewhere.  That is indeed a fact. 

Well yes, but its not a very groundbreaking thought.

FROM THIS FACT, I have drawn the conclusion that God is the starting point, the Alpha, the cause for the effect that is the Universe.  A universal cause.  The cause of all effects.  The starting point (which is really sort of a mis-phrasing, as God exists outside of time, he really has no starting point, so do not ask where God came from, He simply is and always has and always will).

You mean you made the huge leap to claim some invisible omnipotent deity created the entire universe with us on a small planet orbiting an insignificant looking star which for some unknown reason has the overwhelming urge for his sentient creations to worship him for all eternity for some reason.

I am not making conclusions and trying to support them.

Then what reason do you make the leap of logic from "everything must have come from somewhere" to "The Bible God created everything". Heck, tell me what logical reason you have for assuming a deity of any kind

I have found things which have no explination outside of an intelligent creator, and am as such, drawing that conclusion based on the facts I and others (Christians and otherwise) have observed within the natural universe.

I awaite.

[Edward Bradshaw]

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science, falsely so called,  21 which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

That's what Evolutionism is.    I can sling labels, too.

Even Answers in Genesis probably the largest Creationist organisation in the world says this doesnt refer to Evolution and says Creationists should not say it does.

[Nuclear1]

Hey, know what?  Every mode of thinking is flawed!

1.  Most Christians lack tolerance with respect to homosexuals thanks to certain passages in the Old Testament that say homosexuals must be put to death.

2.  Most Muslims lack tolerance with respect to other major religions, thanks to their ****ing maniacal theofascist leaders in the Middle East.

3.  Most atheists lack tolerance with respect to any major religion thanks to this perceived belief that everyone who belongs to other religions are attempting to force their beliefs down their throats.

Well...except Buddhists.  They're just sitting on the sidelines keeping to themselves and being possibly the most peaceful human beings on the planet.

And for the love of God (no joke intended), Ed, why can't you just use the Edit button?

[WeatherOp]

Well...except Buddhists.  They're just sitting on the sidelines keeping to themselves and being possibly the most peaceful human beings on the planet.

You kidding right? They are siting back, learning this sweet karate stuff and soon they are gonna take over the world!

[G0atmaster]

Hey, know what?  Every mode of thinking is flawed!

1.  Most Christians lack tolerance with respect to homosexuals thanks to certain passages in the Old Testament that say homosexuals must be put to death.

That most certainly is NOT true.  Last I checked, it was just the Westboro Baptist Church, which most certainly does NOT follow the teachings of Christ.

And for the love of God (no joke intended), Ed, why can't you just use the Edit button?

Hear hear!

[Edward Bradshaw]

And for the love of God (no joke intended), Ed, why can't you just use the Edit button?

I would have had all the replies been to the same person, but I'll try.

That most certainly is NOT true.  Last I checked, it was just the Westboro Baptist Church, which most certainly does NOT follow the teachings of Christ.

The Old Testament god did say Homosexuals should be put to death, and you think Jesus is the same god.

And you make th No True Scotsman Fallacy anyway, btw.

[Nuclear1]

Hey, know what?  Every mode of thinking is flawed!

1.  Most Christians lack tolerance with respect to homosexuals thanks to certain passages in the Old Testament that say homosexuals must be put to death.

That most certainly is NOT true.  Last I checked, it was just the Westboro Baptist Church, which most certainly does NOT follow the teachings of Christ.

Christians outside of the WBC are plenty intolerant of homosexuals.  Who do you think is driving the campaigns to make same sex marriage illegal in most red states?  WBC is just the most annoying and most violent of all.

Bear in mind, I'm Christian, so in no way do I hate the church, but the way a lot of Christians treat homosexuals just fills me with disgust, because Christianity is supposed to be a religion of tolerance, acceptance, and forgiveness, not one of exclusion, hatred, and bigotry, which is what a lot of active Christian groups seem to be turning it into and what the Roman Catholic church had made it during the Middle Ages. 

God, whatever happened to "love your neighbor as yourself"?  Or are we really just too obsessed with finding people to hate in this world that we can't just learn to get along with each other?

[G0atmaster]

I, for one, HATE homosexuality.  I hate it with a passion.  It disgusts me.


That said, I have nothing against homosexuals.

I wouldn't say I'm for making gay marriage illegal.  I would, however, like a distinction to be made between marriage by the Church and marriage by the State.

As far as "love your neighbor as yourself," think about how you love yourself.  You screw up.  You make stupid choices.  You look back on things you did and say "What an idiot I was!" But you don't hate yourself.  This is what I believe that thing means.  Love others the way you love yourself.  You hate the fact you make mistakes, but you don't hate yourself for your mistakes.

That said, a person can love you despite of your mistakes.  But that doesn't mean they don't wish you to mke them better.

[Mefustae]

Life is short, it's chaotic and it's hard. If Mike likes Steve, so what? Isn't it great that two people have found each other, gotten to know each other, and fallen deliriously in love? What kind of person would want to deny someone's happiness? What could be more mean, more hateful, than arbitrarily trying to prevent two people from enjoying the greatest feeling on Earth just because "it just don't sit right with me"? If Susan and Kate want to spend the rest of their lives together, what ****ing business is it of anyone to object to that?

If you're a homophobe, more power to you. I'll strongly disagree, but you're perfectly entitled to your beliefs. Just don't try to attach it to any religion, it just plain cheapens it and spreads a lot of hate that the world could really do without.

[G0atmaster]

I never said it was any business of mine.  I just aid I hated it.

I'm not gonna go in and try to break up every homosexual couple in the world.  The world is not a very God-loving place.  That's its choice alone.  As much as I want it to change, I can't force it to.