[Nuke]

half a century ago we invented a solution to this problem



religion got you down, blind em with science, literally!

[Kosh]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21535447/

On the other hand a teenager in Georgia recently went to jail for having oral sex with another teenager of similair age.


There is no question the middle east is hopelessly backwards, and their blind faith in Islam (or instert your highjacked religion here) has something to do with it. But we should look at the future: in terms of percentages, the population in the middle east is exploding, which will put a greater strain on already strained water resources. They are breeding themselves into extinction, we should let them pass.

[Flipside]

I had to giggle at the Lawyers name, however...

B.J.Bernstein.

[achtung]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21535447/

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The girl must be a real *****.

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[Unknown Target]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21535447/

On the other hand a teenager in Georgia recently went to jail for having oral sex with another teenager of similair age.

But was she ruthlessly hanged, or was the man sentenced to death? No. Oh we are so much like Iran.

[jr2]

Jeez.  The whole point wasn't the death penalty.  If you're going to execute someone, do it humanely, yeah... shot to the back of the head might hurt for .001 seconds.  More humane than the electric chair.  However.... Trumping up adultery charges is quite another.  You see, she wasn't even married.  Did you read the article?  She was raped!!!

In a town like Neka, heavily under the control of religious authorities, Atefah - often seen wandering around on her own - was conspicuous.  It was just a matter of time before she came to the attention of the "moral police", a branch of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, whose job it is to enforce the Islamic code of behaviour on Iran's streets.

Being stopped or arrested by the moral police is a fact of life for many Iranian teenagers.  Previously arrested for attending a party and being alone in a car with a boy, Atefah received her first sentence for "crimes against chastity" when she was just 13.

Although the exact nature of the crime is unknown, she spent a short time in prison and received 100 lashes.  When she returned to her home town, she told those close to her that lashes were not the only things she had to endure in prison. She described abuse by the moral police guards.

Soon after her release, Atefah became involved in an abusive relationship with a man three times her age.  Former revolutionary guard, 51-year-old Ali Darabi - a married man with children - raped her several times.  She kept the relationship a secret from both her family and the authorities.  Atefah was soon caught in a downward spiral of arrest and abuse.

Circumstances surrounding Atefah's fourth and final arrest were unusual.  The moral police said the locals had submitted a petition, describing her as a "source of immorality" and a "terrible influence on local schoolgirls".  But there were no signatures on the petition - only those of the arresting guards.
eliminate the witness
Three days after her arrest, Atefah was in a court and tried under Sharia law.  The judge was the powerful Haji Rezai, head of the judiciary in Neka.  No court transcript is available from Atefah's trial, but it is known that for the first time, Atefah confessed to the secret of her sexual abuse by Ali Darabi.

However, the age of sexual consent for girls under Sharia law - within the confines of marriage - is nine, and furthermore, rape is very hard to prove in an Iranian court.  "Men's word is accepted much more clearly and much more easily than women," according to Iranian lawyer and exile Mohammad Hoshi.  "They can say: 'You know she encouraged me' or 'She didn't wear proper dress'."

When Atefah realised her case was hopeless, she shouted back at the judge and threw off her veil in protest.  It was a fatal outburst.  She was sentenced to execution by hanging, while Darabi got just 95 lashes.

Now, don't forget... we're just as bad as that or worse here in the US. 

Pass that bucket of ice water, will you?  Someone needs waking up. 

[Mefustae]

Now, don't forget... we're just as bad as that or worse here in the US. 

Pass that bucket of ice water, will you?  Someone needs waking up. 

Yeah, but constantly pointing your finger and shouting "You! You're wrong! You shouldn't do that!" doesn't really help. What the people that run this site should be doing is everything they bloody well can to erase the death penalty and soforth to make the US a better place. Then, they'll have a much better leg to stand on when they decry these assholes.

Otherwise, they're just spitting into the wind.

[jr2]

Being perfect matters not to tyrants... they'll laugh in your face no matter how good you are.  We can argue about pro / vs the death penalty, but we can't argue about situations like in Iran... it's just plain wrong.  But, instead of having unity in taking care of things we know are wrong, we are divided amongst ourselves arguing over who is the nation the closest to perfection, or just plain trying to find fault with other nations.  (I'm speaking of the UN here.)

[Kosh]

Not once was I ever trying to imply the US was any better or worse.

[Mefustae]

Being perfect matters not to tyrants...

Point out where I said anyone needed to be 'perfect'? All i'm saying is that it'd be a lot easier to gain support and make a difference against this sort of thing if Iran (or whatever) couldn't instantly turn around and say "well you still execute people by the electric chair!" etc. This isn't about one single issue, it's about cleaning up the **** in your own backyard before *****ing to the neighbor about how crappy his place looks.

All religions should be wiped off the face of the earth. The word of god has been a convenient excuse for mistreating your fellow man for far too long.

Amen to that, brother.

[karajorma]

The reason for the anti-US sentiment is because it's pretty obvious what this is REALLY all about.

How come no one is having a go at other countries in the world which are equally brutal. For that matter, how come no one is mentioning Saudi Arabia?


This is the exact same **** that happened before the invasion of Iraq and I can't believe anyone would be gullible enough to fall for it a second time.

[Kosh]

Like I said, they are breeding themselves into extinction. We'll just have to wait 20 years for their wells to dry up, and then they will start warming up the nukes. Problem solves itself.

[Mefustae]

How come no one is having a go at other countries in the world which are equally brutal. For that matter, how come no one is mentioning Saudi Arabia?

Actually, the site linked at the start of the thread does include Saudi Arabia under the banner of Islamo-fascism. Like I said before, they actually make some pretty good points, and I would actually agree with them in a few places if it weren't for their fervent and downright weird anti-left sentiments every other sentence.

Heh... don't worry, you get your chance... all 7 years of it.  But it will be one religion, not none.  And you will like it.  Or die.  Of course, you could always become a Christian, even during that time, then at least you'd go to Heaven when you died.  But I digress.  EDIT: I'm speaking of the rule of the Anti-Christ here, just in case you aren't well-read.

Excuse me!? What the heck are you talking about? I was clarifying my point that people in the US should focus on their own shortcomings before lecturing others on theirs, and you go on a little tirade threatening me with tales of the coming of the antichrist?! What the hell, man!

BTW... have you ever considered the fact that you have now officially spouted hate speech?  Chew on that for a little.    Or did you mean doing that non-violently?  Because that would be impossible.  And, even with violence, it would still be impossible. 

And, don't deceive yourself.  If there was no religion, people would kill each other just because.  Using religion is man's way of trying to excuse his heinous crime of hating his brother.  Take away one excuse, they'll just use another.
 them.

Yes, but religion makes it so much easier to find support for hate, to separate people. There's no denying that hardliners will always find a way to hate people, and it will always be in humanity's nature to destroy itself. However, by taking away such a provocative reason as religion as a way of dividing humanity, it'd be much harder to drum up popular support among the dim-witted and ignorant: The first people to march to war. Effectively, you'd be taking the megaphones off the crazies, which I believe will make the world a much calmer, more rational place to live our lives.

[oss]

i feel i have to step in as a person who actually lives in the middle east, unlike i assume the rest of you.

islam has its beautiful sides, but when you read the actual quran you see surras speak of beating your wife, the prophet muhammad having sex with a 9 year old, and fighting non- believers wherever you find them using "deception and every strategem of war".

this of course does not mean the vast majority of muslims follow these laws, but it does mean the extremists easily dupe believers into focusing on those verses.

i have seen first hand what people do in the name of islam, i have seen things i dont wish upon anyone, all in the name of god.



the entire issue isnt executions, its the fact that women arent allowed to eat ice cream because it arouses the men, its because women arent allowed to speak to anyone aside of their husband, as to not seduce them, its the fact that children are taught death should be their ultimate goal, and that they must take as many ape/pig kuffar nonebelievers with them in the process. regardless of age or sex. (just a few examples)


im not right wing or left wing, im human, and i have seen what islamo- fascism is. we need more then to be aware of it.

[Bobboau]

i feel i have to step in as a person who actually lives in the middle east, unlike i assume the rest of you.

Israel?

[karajorma]

I don't know, but I'd really like to see those countries have a chance to feel a US (and/or other allied nations) boot in their butt.. they need it.  I guess because the citizens of most countries (including ours) are too lazy and indifferent to care about the suffering of their fellow man if it doesn't threaten them.

And what about a boot up the US's butt over rendition? Gitmo? and a variety of other things that they have also done wrong?


I would love nothing more than to see those countries end those practices but a country involved in torture of so called "illegal combatants" is no position to be lecturing anyone else on how to be civilised.

[oss]

i feel i have to step in as a person who actually lives in the middle east, unlike i assume the rest of you.

Israel?

yes.

[Bobboau]

there are a few people here from there, including one of the highest ranking admins

[Flipside]

I agree, Sharia Law is a terrible thing, though that's not really the Quoran's fault, it's true that the Bible has similar passages, people handing over their own daughters for gang rape etc.

I'll freely admit that I don't live in the Middle East, I do however, live near Hackney, and therefore see just about every type of Islamic and Judaism representation, from Modern Islamics to hard-core old-liners, from Messianic Jews to Orthodox, who obey the commandments to the point where they actually obey the commandment that Bobboau has in his signature. I've heard opinions from both sides on how 'the other guys' should be treated, and believe me, in some of them, as far as executions are concerned, there's certainly a will, there's just no way.

Anti-Execution week, I can deal with, Anti-Mysogony week, I can certainly vote for, even Asian Women's Rights week, I can perfectly accept, but to bundle it up as Islamofacism not only insults the religion of the men who do the beating, but of the women who recieve them, it's not targetting the crime, it's targetting the religion of both the criminal and the victim.

[Bobboau]

I think you are totally misunderstanding what the word means, the 'islamo' part is a descriptor, the main point is the 'fascist' part. you could talk about christofascists or germanofascist, you are just talking about a particular group of people who want to force other people to do as they want. the prefix just differentiates them from the other fascists who would want them dead. it isn't saying a whole group of people are fascist, its saying a particular group of fascists are of a particular flavor.