[Herra Tohtori]

Well, now we have the first our very own of these incidents. I can barely contain my excitement.

First school shooting since 1989 when a teased 14-year-old shot two of his tormentors; first of kind where the primary motive seems to have been just to kill for killing's sake. About the only barely comparable incident was the Myyrmanni shopping centre bombing, which was apparently an attempted bombing turned into accidental suicide bombing in 2002. It was a big buzz at the time as well, but school shooting has kinda different and definitely more sinister image at least in my mind.

BBC: Finland shocked at fatal shooting

CNN: Teen dead who opened fire on Finnish classmates, police say


Summary - same old story, but first of it's kind in Finland. Some guy who apparently was a real nutjob as far as ideology goes (but sadly, not nutjob enough to be noticed early enough or to affect the effectiveness - you know, the worst kind) had apparently been preparing this for a while, even going as far as announcing his intentions in YouTube (account and related videos removed after the incident). Went to school, opened fire, shot eight people to death before fatally injuring himself and dying later in the hospital.

Frakked up, but strangely it doesn't seem to affect me personally any more than, say, that incident in Virginia... Hopefully this kind of crap doesn't start to become more common around here, though.

Interestingly, the previously mentioned bombing in Myyrmanni resulted in seven dead, 166 injured, of which 66 required hospitalization of some degree afterwards... in this incident,

Annoyingly, there was a separate headline in Finnish national radio web pages announcing that the shooter "played war games in the net" [link, Finnish, if anyone should care]. As if it needed a separate headline... makes it seem (again) like the fact he played video games was some kind of prime reason he flipped. Oh well. At least they did say that he played computer games in addition to having "sharpshooting" as a hobby...

But then again, I have to wonder why they didn't make a separate headline about the guy having shooting as a hobby, which was IMHO more interesting and relevant to the case, seeing how much less people are into gun hobby than playing computer games in Finland amongst the young generation (guesstimated by Stetson-Harrison-method). I can only surmise that some flowerhat-lady in YLE deemed it worth the news value to tell about "war game hobby" separately.

The headline and the text was later updated to include more information and not only to tell about the twat's computer game hobby, though, so I suppose someone else agreed with me on this...

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Discuss.

[Excalibur]

  Why? They kill 10 people and commit suicide.

Reasons: (may be many others)

1.) Too many people in the school/on this planet.
2.) Depressed.
3.) Was involved in some sort of religion that involved sacrifice?
4.) Was mentally ill, i.e. retarded or abused.
5.) Was bullied/revenge. ("Avenge me!")
6.) Still thought they were in the war that was in the computer game, etc.
7.) Was too pumped up by drugs, alcohol, music, etc.
8.) Believed they had a mission - made up by themselves.
9.) Target practice.
10.)Hates people who go to school.
11.)From 1.): Wanted to introduce population control.
12.)Had relationship problems.
EDIT: 13.) Is an eejit.

People these days have access to so many things that effect them in so many different ways these days, they end up being influenced so much that they can think anything. I think they mainly get depressed by a relationship failure, bullying or they take drugs or something. People may also become so stressed by the amount of work they have to do now in college.

People should take more notice of people so that they can have help or comfort when they need it. This senseless killing may lead to total destruction of humans in certain areas, of which may include the complete surface of this planet.

[Nuke]

just saw this in the news. they always blame video games on this stuff but thats just one of many means for kids to escape reality. thats one thing that all theese shooters seem to have in common, they live in a fantasy world. they could just as easily loose themselves in movies or books, or what ever. thats what we get when we put our own entertainment above all else. i bet many of  these kids were messed up to begin with, the games only gave them a way out. they isolate themselves and fall back on their social development. then when they had to face reality they cant deal with it and freak out.

[achtung]

Giving them a place to run instead of dealing with life is a bad idea.

Whether that be a game, a book, a movie, anything.

[Herra Tohtori]

From what I gather, it seems to be a mix of Excalibur's reasons numbers 1, 8 and 11, in addition to 10 in form of "hates people period", not just those in school.

(...)

In the rambling text posted on the site, Auvinen [the gunman] said that he is "a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist".

"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," he wrote. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."

(...)

Yepp, sounds like a messed up dude all right. At least he did seem to count himself into the group of unfit disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection, seeing as he did eliminate himself as well... If it wasn't so morbid this would actually warrant a Darwin Award, but as a whole I don't think it would be appropriate.


...Anyone else find it kinda ironic that up here we seem to have the non-religious loons killing people instead of suicide bombers on a holy quest to seek martyrdom of some kind?

[NGTM-1R]

It's Nuke!

[Nuke]

pretty much, shall i pose with a hammer, club, giant gun, ect

fortunately for you, a body count of no less than 7 billion is acceptable to me. so i very much doubt il go on a petty shooting spree.

[Flipside]

Giving them a place to run instead of dealing with life is a bad idea.

Whether that be a game, a book, a movie, anything.

It's not as simple as that unfortunately, look at Charles Manson, claimed he heard voices on the Beatles White Album telling him to kill. We ALL escape using books, games etc, there isn't any harm in that, it's human, but if someone wants to receive messages telling them they are an Angel of Death, then they will, regardless of the media they get it from, but the Media is not the risk, the person is.

[Nuke]

its never simple. the list of things that can drive a person to become a shooter is quite long. no one of them would cause it directly. probibly you could suffer a number of those conditions and be perfectly normal. you could have the first 4, someone else may have the next 3 and both would be normal, somone could have 1 3 5 and 7 and be totally nuts. when you blame one thing lilke violent video games, all your doing is creating a scapegoat. youre not doing anything to determine the bad combination. then of course 1357 might be a bad combination for personality a, but the same problems in a personality b would result in a normal individual.

[Kosh]

its never simple. the list of things that can drive a person to become a shooter is quite long. no one of them would cause it directly. probibly you could suffer a number of those conditions and be perfectly normal.

Yeah, not all the incidents have the same reasons. I'd have to say when it comes to primary an secondary schools, often the shooter was a victim of bullying seeking a perverse form of justice (since the school administrators often do nothing about it, even when it literally happens in front of them). 

[castor]

You can read his "manifesto" here: http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article356699.ece

Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

[achtung]

Giving them a place to run instead of dealing with life is a bad idea.

Whether that be a game, a book, a movie, anything.

It's not as simple as that unfortunately, look at Charles Manson, claimed he heard voices on the Beatles White Album telling him to kill. We ALL escape using books, games etc, there isn't any harm in that, it's human, but if someone wants to receive messages telling them they are an Angel of Death, then they will, regardless of the media they get it from, but the Media is not the risk, the person is.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the person is just as much, or more, to blame as what sparked it.  I'm just saying, allowing people to essentially detach from this world for too long is a bad idea.  It isn't necessarily going to result in a school shooting, but it really isn't going to help the person any either.

[Flipside]

Agreed, like anything done for pleasure, overdoing it can actually be harmful.

[Mars]

Yay... it wasn't in the US... for once.

[Mefustae]

Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

...Sound like anyone we know? *Hint-hint*

[Nuke]

i should put that in my siggy

[Mefustae]

Speak of the devil...

[Wanderer]

Apparently he was strongly influenced by one of the weirdest 'philosophers'  in Finland... Linkola.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentti_Linkola

...advocates eugenics and genocide as a means to combat overpopulation. He has suggested that big cities should be attacked with nuclear weapons...

[Nuke]

heh i sorta like this guy. reminds me of varg.

[TrashMan]

If only he started the purfication of hte human race with himself....