[Snail]

The beams penetrated the Vigilant's hull! Check!

But they don't go right through. They graze the top.

And mine was a reference to the Universe. There's a pic of a SRed penetrating the hull of a Deimos without problems. There also is a LRed penetrating an Orion.

That looked a LOT more like an LRed to me. I again return to the claim that the section of the Orion was damaged before the beam sliced through it.

Are you aware of the fact that beams are HOT and nothing can resist to them?!?

Many things are hot. But things can resist them. [there is only ONE meaning to this phrase, if you see another meaning you are a complete pervert]

[Mobius]

1) Are you sure? The beams simply passed through!

2) How do you know that? You can see the beam as it passes through the ship...how do you know about the conditions of the armor plating hit by the beam?!?

3)

No, they might have better resistance, but they can't prevent a beam from penetrating the hull. Look at the Deimos, in the Tech Description it is stated that the molybdenum offers better protection against beams: though the beam is too hot for it, the molybdenum can prevent a fire from spreading...

[Admiral_Stones]

My third thought on this is again about the GTVA being totally pwned.

Assuming that, with MUCH of luck and careful planning, the GTVA could sucesfuly defend one node, one has to expect multiple nodes at the same time would be invaded. And the GTVA can't bring up enough resources and shippower for defending multiple nodes assuming they send like 5 Sathanas Juggernauts per node.

That'l be -1 points for GTVA a a bazillon of thousands of points for Shivans.

P.S.: AlphaOne, please fix your grammar. Please.

[Marcus Vesper]

He has the !!!!!!! title for a reason you know, heh.

[Snail]

1) Are you sure? The beams simply passed through!

Uuuuuhh... No?

2) How do you know that? You can see the beam as it passes through the ship...how do you know about the conditions of the armor plating hit by the beam?!?

We don't know, but it is the only explanation for the differences from in-game and in-universe.

No, they might have better resistance, but they can't prevent a beam from penetrating the hull. Look at the Deimos, in the Tech Description it is stated that the molybdenum offers better protection against beams: though the beam is too hot for it, the molybdenum can prevent a fire from spreading...

Do you have a SINGLE SCRAP OF EVIDENCE to support this? :rollieyeses:

[TrashMan]

1) Are you sure? The beams simply passed through!

2) How do you know that? You can see the beam as it passes through the ship...how do you know about the conditions of the armor plating hit by the beam?!?

3)

No, they might have better resistance, but they can't prevent a beam from penetrating the hull. Look at the Deimos, in the Tech Description it is stated that the molybdenum offers better protection against beams: though the beam is too hot for it, the molybdenum can prevent a fire from spreading...

1. I have to agree with Snail, the beam didn't pass trough at any point. It does cut at the hull, but it's effect is that of a slashing would that only penetrates the surface, not goes straight trough.

2. How do you know it's not damaged? Does it make sense for it to NOT be damaged when it's that close to the Lucifer? After all, it had to close the distance and I doubt the shivans would just be waiting.

3. Eh? Beams are indeed might weapons since you can destroy a 2k long warship with a few hits with it..but one-shot-kills don't happen unless you bring a beam of overkill size to the fight.

[Retsof]

Just caught up with this thread, and, going back a page or two, if you want a mobile molnhir (sorry if spelled wrong) just strap it to an ursa, there you go, instant mobility.

[terran_emperor]

you do know that an Ursa is about as manouverable as a Cow riight?

[TrashMan]

Even a sedated cow with broken legs is better then nothing...

[Retsof]

Well, can you think of anything else smaller than a cruiser that could actually haul a molnhir.

[Dark Hunter]

Elysium

[TrashMan]

Or every other small transport for that matter.

[AlphaOne]

well they would work but they have lower armour then a Ursa and no shields )

[TrashMan]

but more turrets in general.

[AlphaOne]

A lot of good thos blot turrets will do you ! I take armour and shields versus crap for weapons anyday. At least with more armour and shields you might have a chance at getting away before you get blown up.

[TrashMan]

Re-git it for Mjolnir-hauling duty. Give the transport a better reactor and put Keysers in those turrets....hehehehe

[Mustang19]

Actaully, you can just go into FRED and have something tow around a Mjolnir. How do you think they're deployed in the first place?

[TrashMan]

Magic? The Force?

[Bob-san]

No. They ran away from the Atrocious. Do NOT look at that linked web page.

Anyways--I would like to see a modified Ursa that replaces most of the systems with Kayser turrets would do very well towing a Mjolnir. Fast-ish and heavily shielded.

[azile0]

Well, why an Ursa when we have newer, shinier, BETTER (as in More heavily plated, and faster) Bombers, like an Artemis, or Boangeres? They are faster, and more suitable, I think for towing. get in, get out, giterdone.