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Offline Hades

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What about an Aten?
That has no Anti-Cap weapons or decent anti-fighter.
You can kill an Aten with a dragon...
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Offline Jeff Vader

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You can kill an Aten with a cargo container.
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Offline TrashMan

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yeah, even the civilian one. :lol:
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Offline Ghostavo

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The Fenris, Leviathan and Aten were built when there were no shields, beams, flak or any other major weapon that could destroy them easily (this includes any variety of weapons from the Maxim to more powerful missiles), so it's easy to understand why they feel so vulnerable now.

That said, I'd wager they act now as a sort of mobile beam platforms with a few extras attached.
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Even in the non-shield era the Aten sucks bollocks IMNSHO. IMNSHO all cruisers suxxorz except the Aeolus and zeh allmaitee Leeleeth.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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You can kill an Aten with a cargo container.

Cargo of plotholes is automatically disallowed.

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Offline admiral_wolf

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I personally believe that cruisers are nothing more than support ships to destroyers.  To me, it makes sense to only have cruisers in deserted far out systems so that destroyers can maintain a presence in more populated and contested systems.  However, in saying this, to have them battle ready and different specifications to deal with varied situations is not a bad idea.
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Offline Prophet

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Now now... Let's not forget one major thing here... Most cruisers that were still in use during the 2nd Great War were designed during or predating Terran Vasudan war. Now can any of you children tell me what major difference modern fighters have to those of TVW era fighters? That's right, shields.

You go against any cruiser, including Aten, with a wing of unshielded fighters, and you will be challenged. Especially in FS1. IMO FS2 did terrible things to blob turrets making them little more than waterballoon launchers.
Eons ago, when I got FS1, I thought it would be a jolly good idea to have a hostile Aten surrounded a couple of freighters against me in a Herc. Unshielded of course since even back then I thought shields were wussy, lame  and cheating. So I got killed before even getting two shots off. So I thought bummer and fitted shields on my Herc. This time I got off three shots and a couple of hasty evasions before getting killed.

So in FS1, cruisers were actually worth something. Even Aten was a viable combat vessel. But as you can see from the missions of FS2, :v: liked blowing ships up. Blob turrets were nerfed to useless. And fighters are incredibly powerful. And lame because of the shields. Thus cruisers became little more than flying mission objectives...

Which I think is incredibly sad, because cruisers are way cooler than huge destroyers of doom shooting their death beams only to be killed by even larger super destroyer of carnage.
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Offline Mad Bomber

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Anyone remember Procyon Insurgency? Cruisers in that were painful to go up against. The friendly Aten in that first mission surprised me with its power.
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Offline Polpolion

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...The Cain in particular. It's anti-capital firepower is no better than an Aeolus,...

:wtf: What are you talking about?

IIRC, the Aeolus as 2 Sgreens and the Cain doesn't have any beams at all. Why does everyone keep thinking that the Aeolus stinks at anti-capitol?

 

Offline Mad Bomber

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Cains have an SRed.
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Offline TrashMan

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Anyone remember Procyon Insurgency? Cruisers in that were painful to go up against. The friendly Aten in that first mission surprised me with its power.

you will fear cruisers in FOW...you will FEAR. :drevil:
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Offline Desert Tyrant

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...The Cain in particular. It's anti-capital firepower is no better than an Aeolus,...

:wtf: What are you talking about?

IIRC, the Aeolus as 2 Sgreens and the Cain doesn't have any beams at all. Why does everyone keep thinking that the Aeolus stinks at anti-capitol?

The Cain has a single SRed beam cannon.  Speaking of which, the Cain's fairly underrated, in all honesty.  It's armour is twice that of the Fenris, its firepower is at least as good, and it's small frame makes it fairly hard to hit.  Granted, it's still the weakest Shivan cruiser by far, but it has its uses.  It's also faster than the Lilith  (Cain: 30 metres.  Lilith: 20.)

Granted, i'd rather have a Rakasha or a Aeolus, though.  The Cain's AA is mediocre and the fighterkillers are relatively weak.

 

Offline Polpolion

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Cains have an SRed.

Oh. And an AAA I suppose, but the Aeolus still has a bit of an edge in anti-cap firepower because it's firepower is subsidized into two beams. And it's two Sgreens far outstrip the Levi's one. I'd even go as far to say it's even better than its the levi's one and its fusion mortar.

 

Offline ShadowGorrath

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Well , I made a Fenris MK2 ( table edits and one edit of the texture ) , which makes short work of an Ares fighter before it can do any decent damage to the cruiser .

3 AAAh
Rapid-fire blob turrets
Cyclops#short
25000HP

It's a cruiser you wouldn't like to attack

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Offline NGTM-1R

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Terran cruisers in FS1, prior to the development of shields, were the primary offensive ships; with their Fusion Mortars (which beat out an SGreen for damage over time), durablity, and better manuverability and availablity then destroyers, they were very well-suited to the role.

After shields, beams, and flaks, cruisers lack the firepower to take a fight to the enemy alone, but they are capable escort craft, properly disposed. The cruisers in Clash of the Titans II, for example, were placed too far out from the Bastion to support it properly. (The reason the inital Shivan attack waves go for the cruisers is twofold: even screwed up as badly as they are they still gut them, and if they went straight for the Bastion the cruisers might not be posistioned to intercept successfully.) I've played other campaigns that knew how to use them correctly; a Mentu snugged into the side of an Orion for example is one of those things you really don't want to see when you're in a bomber.

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Mostly thanks to the fact that Fusion Mortar shots can't be hit. Strange, since they appear to be small and less powerful torpedoes.

With the "bomb" flag they would be completely useless.
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Offline blowfish

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Well , I made a Fenris MK2 ( table edits and one edit of the texture ) , which makes short work of an Ares fighter before it can do any decent damage to the cruiser .

3 AAAh
Rapid-fire blob turrets
Cyclops#short
25000HP

It's a cruiser you wouldn't like to attack

Errr... Is it just me, or does that thing have shields?

EDIT: Look at the screenshot.

 

Offline Desert Tyrant

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Mostly thanks to the fact that Fusion Mortar shots can't be hit. Strange, since they appear to be small and less powerful torpedoes.

With the "bomb" flag they would be completely useless.


I always thought they were missles on steroids.  Perhaps why they're slow and lack any guidence is because of the concession to more firepower.

 

Offline Kosh

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Cruisers were built, I suspect, to project power intersystem without tying up a destroyer prior to intersystem jump drives on fighters. It's a silly system when you realy think about it - More moloch type dwarf carrier vessels would have been a better solution, with gunships playing the capship support and force projection role, but that's not what we were given.


In FS1 this was certainly the case, but not so much in FS2.


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Why does everyone keep thinking that the Aeolus stinks at anti-capitol?

Because SGreens suck. They just don't do enough damage to justify their obnoxiously long 45 second refire rate.
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