[IceFire]

Ya know what's interesting..."The truth is somewhere in between"..
Is it? Statisticly? Maybe, I don't know..probably.
Will it be this time? I guess we'll see, won't we....

You mean "statistically"

Honestly you can pick almost any subject and you will have the people on the extreme sides of the issue but things are usually (although not in all occasions) somewhere right in the middle.  Specifically where it falls is of course part of the debate but how often is something found to be so absolutely correct that everyone else is subsequently absolutely wrong.  Only on my math tests from high school!

[NGTM-1R]

Careful now, the gray fallacy will bite you if you're not.

[IceFire]

Careful now, the gray fallacy will bite you if you're not.

I had to look that one up because I've never heard of it before.  Thats a strange one for me...but I'm not sure it applies.  I can see it working for me at work where we have to choose between two software solutions and you can't have both so you can't play the down the middle game.  I'm suggesting remove the outliers from the argument and focus on dealing with the outcomes rather than arguing if the ultra green or conspiracy theorists are absolutely right.

[NGTM-1R]

The thing is they could be absolutely right, we can't really prove or disprove it either way, so discounting the extreme posistions out of hand isn't a valid course of action.

[Bobboau]

has any one used the "if we aren't responsible and do something... if we aren't and don't... are and do... are and don't..." yet, I would hope with a thread full of people arguing Pascals wager that such logic would not sit right.

[Nuke]

well it turns out that of green technology is more efficient than existing tech. in terms of both performance and economy. if it runs cleaner and for less, i dont see a problem with it. the whole controversy is important because its making people look at possibilities which may never have never been considered without the controversy. if the hippies and conservatives are gonna fight over it, so much the better because in the process many new technologies are being developed.

[Fearless Leader]

I would like to point out that if global warming was being caused by Mr Norris then we would all have baked to death long ago.

Also, global warming is BS!
The people that do research have most likely sat in their warm houses all winter or live some place warm. Because if you have to spend a couple months outside in an area of this world that has a cold winter you will be calling BS too.

:Looks out the window to see if it is still snowing:

[Kosh]

Also, global warming is BS!

Care to elaborate on that?

If it is BS then how do you explain why the Arctic ice cap is getting thinner? Slim fast?

[Ford Prefect]

I would like to point out that if global warming was being caused by Mr Norris then we would all have baked to death long ago.

Also, global warming is BS!
The people that do research have most likely sat in their warm houses all winter or live some place warm. Because if you have to spend a couple months outside in an area of this world that has a cold winter you will be calling BS too.

:Looks out the window to see if it is still snowing:

When someone finally talks you down from your peyote trip, you should be aware that you did, in fact, just attempt to discredit global warming by asserting that those who research it have warm houses.

Don't worry about it, man. You should hear me after my third bong hit.

[Jeff Vader]

You forgot the fact that by having a bigger volume than water with the same weight, it will partially float. So no, the sea level will not drop, it will rise.

Funny. I seem to remember back from elementary school that with icebergs, and as far as I know, polar glaciers, the majority of the ice is underwater, hence the phrase 'the tip of the iceberg'. Or have I been lied to my whole life?

[redsniper]

Millions upon millions of tons of ice are over land in Antarctica and Greenland and probably a few other places I'm not aware of. If that ice melts and flows into the ocean there will be more water in the ocean and it will rise. No one's concerned about icebergs melting since they make up a tiny percentage of the ice in the world and they melt when they get south enough anyways. Icecaps are what people are worried about so stop talking about icebergs.

[Jeff Vader]

K. Sorry. Didn't think about that. Pardons.

[karajorma]

When someone finally talks you down from your peyote trip, you should be aware that you did, in fact, just attempt to discredit global warming by asserting that those who research it have warm houses.

Ironically he's not that far from many of the arguments I've heard against it. Lots of them take some tiny regional effect and claim it's proof against global warming. 

[Bobboau]

I would like to point out that if global warming was being caused by Mr Norris then we would all have baked to death long ago.

Also, global warming is BS!
The people that do research have most likely sat in their warm houses all winter or live some place warm. Because if you have to spend a couple months outside in an area of this world that has a cold winter you will be calling BS too.

:Looks out the window to see if it is still snowing:

I would like you to consider something, if you were a rational minded person who had there doubts about global warming, how would you react to realiseing that you were on the same 'side' as a person who says something like this?
I live in a warm house, therefore... ehr... somehow that relates to measurements I've made in the siberian highlands? I mean I can't even figure out what the suposed logic of this is suposed to be.

[Nuke]

this is not the first time i lived in juneau ak, back when i was 7 or so (19 - 20 years ago) i was here for about a year. the local mendenhall glacier seems somewhat smaller than it used to be. granted my eyeballs were a different size back then.

[Turambar]

actually, eyeballs mostly stay the same size.

they're just a bit higher off the ground now.


edit: also, it is still quite possible that the glacier is smaller

[Bobboau]

or maybe the rest of the terrain got bigger! 

[IceFire]

The thing is they could be absolutely right, we can't really prove or disprove it either way, so discounting the extreme posistions out of hand isn't a valid course of action.

I suppose that in a hypothetical argument sort of way of looking at things that yes someone could be "absolute" but rarely does that happen with a real world issue that is combining politics, economics, and environmental science.  The chances of global warming being 100% caused by humans or 100% not caused by humans is unlikely in my mind.  I think the real argument is from 99% down

[Kazan]

PST:

More energy in a meteorological system=> More instability => Greater thermal extreme delta => colder winters, warmer summers

just exactly what we're seeing.

[jdjtcagle]

Winter is hoter here in oklahoma, I'm not sure if it's normal but 60 to 70 degree every so often almost every other week.