[Mars]

Out of curiosity, who besides ShadowGorrath voted for the Prometheus R?

[MechMantis]

FS is actually surprisingly internally consistent about what will and will not do damage to shielding and hull materials, with the main deviants from these conventions being the Prom-R and the EMP missile.

Given the Avenger's damage levels -- great against hull, reasonable against shields -- shells charged with radiation and energy (to the point that they glow yellow) seems like a pretty reasonable description, all things considered.

"A rapid-fire, computer-controlled radar and gun system - capable of firing at a rate of more than 4500 rounds per minute - used primarily for close-defense situations - uses closed-loop radar technology to locate, identify, and direct a stream of highly destructive 45mm projectiles to the target."

There doesn't seem to be many reasonable things in that description. I don't think that it was ever used in a close defense situation, there certainly wasn't a radar system, and it definitely wasn't computer controlled. 45mm projectiles??? There must be a bottomless bag of holding somewhere on my fighter... Then you have the totally ridiculous 4500 rounds per minute.

I think that these points were what Mars was referring to. And I agree, I think Volition found that description somewhere and thought it sounded pretty cool...

Well, that fire rate comes out to about 0.01333333(repeating) seconds between shots...

Someone must edit the tables for the and record the carnage of the Avenger in all it's glory.

[Gamma_Draconis]

The Avenger sounds like a super Maxim Cannon now that you mention its firing rate...

[Droid803]

Well, would you massive-nerf the damage though? its practically a beam the way its coming out.

[MechMantis]

No. Leave it be.

Because that's the proper damage, right?

[Mars]

Like I said the tech description is a complete ripoff from Phalanax CIWS, except they changed it from 25 to 45 mm

[Killer Whale]

Since i've never played FS I i can't vote for avenger. I don't know what a ML-16 is. The mekhu-hl7 is actually suprising to me in it's power (as with a subach), but it isn't the weapon i choose. I prefer to spend most of my time is something like an ursa, and i use a maxim and a kayser for that (or similar), mostly maxim's though. The promethius retrofit is to me, rubbish. It's basically like a maxim, except worse, and cheaper (i don't look at tables, only the unreliable stats on the in-game weapon that says the maxim does 8 hull and 1 shield, while P-r does 4 hull, and 1 shield), but cheap doesn't mean anything to me. So out of them i'd say the Meckhu-HL7, though i'd rather a kayser and a couple of maxims.

[blowfish]

Since i've never played FS I i can't vote for avenger. I don't know what a ML-16 is. The mekhu-hl7 is actually suprising to me in it's power (as with a subach), but it isn't the weapon i choose. I prefer to spend most of my time is something like an ursa, and i use a maxim and a kayser for that (or similar), mostly maxim's though. The promethius retrofit is to me, rubbish. It's basically like a maxim, except worse, and cheaper (i don't look at tables, only the unreliable stats on the in-game weapon that says the maxim does 8 hull and 1 shield, while P-r does 4 hull, and 1 shield), but cheap doesn't mean anything to me. So out of them i'd say the Meckhu-HL7, though i'd rather a kayser and a couple of maxims.

Go play FSPort.

[Droid803]

Obviosuly, I would rather have Kaysers and maxims.
Those aren't standard weapons. They're specifically stated as special issue, and are used only by "the elite".

[blowfish]

The Maxim isn't so special issue.  You get it when you arrive on the GVD Psamtik, in a non-elite squadron.

[Killer Whale]

Since i've never played FS I i can't vote for avenger. I don't know what a ML-16 is. The mekhu-hl7 is actually suprising to me in it's power (as with a subach), but it isn't the weapon i choose. I prefer to spend most of my time is something like an ursa, and i use a maxim and a kayser for that (or similar), mostly maxim's though. The promethius retrofit is to me, rubbish. It's basically like a maxim, except worse, and cheaper (i don't look at tables, only the unreliable stats on the in-game weapon that says the maxim does 8 hull and 1 shield, while P-r does 4 hull, and 1 shield), but cheap doesn't mean anything to me. So out of them i'd say the Meckhu-HL7, though i'd rather a kayser and a couple of maxims.

Go play FSPort.

I don't want to go through this again, i've tried and can't play FSPort. I have a very old computer (around 9 yrs) and about a 9 gig hard drive. I don't have the ability to play it, as much as i want to.

[Snail]

The FSPort isn't resource intensive. It works on retail.

[Jeff Vader]

Yeah. If you can get FS2 working on your computer, you can get FSO working as well, just without the MediaVPs. And if you can do that, you can play FSPort, on both FS2 and FSO.

[Woolie Wool]

HL-7:

Its the first standard issue cannon you'd use for the entire game. gladly.

The Avenger is a superior weapon to the HL-7 in pretty much every aspect.

But the avenger is short-lived compared to the HL-7. Their Rate of fire alone is big with me, and the fractional energy drain also gives it points above the Avenger.

In my own experience, the Subach outlives the Avenger in campaign. i kicked it to the curb for Prometheus' like i did the ML-16. once the Prometheus comes in, its fairly useless, whereas the subach seems to be a good choice thought the game. Those times where theres that one dragon that you just cant hit on call to knock it out with the Kayser, Spray it with the Subach. guarantee the dragon will run out of shields and hull integrity before you run out of weapon energy.

The Subach's energy consumption is only slightly less than the Avenger (1.0/sec vs. 1.3). It takes a long time to drain your banks using the Avenger, even on Insane, enough to kill that Dragon several times over. Furthermore, the Avenger is made obsolete by the Prometheus because the Prometheus outdoes the Avenger (and the Subach) in every aspect, without the energy consumption of the Prometheus S. The original Prometheus completely crushes the Subach HL-7.

[Woolie Wool]

Since i've never played FS I i can't vote for avenger. I don't know what a ML-16 is. The mekhu-hl7 is actually suprising to me in it's power (as with a subach), but it isn't the weapon i choose. I prefer to spend most of my time is something like an ursa, and i use a maxim and a kayser for that (or similar), mostly maxim's though. The promethius retrofit is to me, rubbish. It's basically like a maxim, except worse, and cheaper (i don't look at tables, only the unreliable stats on the in-game weapon that says the maxim does 8 hull and 1 shield, while P-r does 4 hull, and 1 shield), but cheap doesn't mean anything to me. So out of them i'd say the Meckhu-HL7, though i'd rather a kayser and a couple of maxims.

Go play FSPort.

I don't want to go through this again, i've tried and can't play FSPort. I have a very old computer (around 9 yrs) and about a 9 gig hard drive. I don't have the ability to play it, as much as i want to.

How on earth can you not run FSPort if you can run FS2? There's no difference in terms of performance. Furthermore, you could buy a much, much better computer than you have now for $300. There is no excuse to having a 9-year-old computer, except maybe being homeless.

[Mad Bomber]

Furthermore, the Avenger is made obsolete by the Prometheus because the Prometheus outdoes the Avenger (and the Subach) in every aspect, without the energy consumption of the Prometheus S. The original Prometheus completely crushes the Subach HL-7.

Not true. The Avenger is superior to the Prom-O in range, and (barely) shield damage. The Subach is superior to the Prom-O in antishield damage. Both of them have higher fire rates and better energy efficiency than the Prom-O (tho the latter advantage is nothing to write home about).

The Prom-O is, first and foremost, an anti-hull cannon. This it does very well. But not all that much better than the Avenger.

And did anyone actually read my rewritten Avenger tech description on the previous page?

[Mars]

Yes, but I disagree.

It seems likely to me that the Avenger was more expensive to maintain and HL-7s price has gone down since The Great War, after all, it was only said that it was expensive at the time. Considering it's supposed to be the most mass produced weapon ever, I'd say the HL-7 is pretty cheap.

[Polpolion]

The Maxim isn't so special issue.  You get it when you arrive on the GVD Psamtik, in a non-elite squadron.

IIRC you are in an elite squadron though. Zod squads are usually only numbers, unless they're a really special important squad, then they're named. And you're in the XXth Scorpions, IIRC.

[Droid803]

I do thing the scorps is an elite squadron.
Command would not entrust helioses and taking out the Sathanas's beam cannons to a noob squadron.

"this bomb is worth more than you are. so don't pull the trigger unless you're sure its not going to be intercepted"

[Jeff Vader]

I do thing the scorps is an elite squadron.
Command would not entrust helioses and taking out the Sathanas's beam cannons to a noob squadron.

Hmm... I don't know... it is the Command, after all.

Nah. They must be 1337 somehow.