[foolfromhell]

Well, atleast a few in every system?

And, just thought of something.

If flak turrets are also physical weapons, wont they need rearming?

Same with missiles on the ships?

[blowfish]

Yes, but flak rounds are likely small as are most of the missiles used, so they take up a LOT less space than some big modified helios things.

[Droid803]

Well, they probably wouldn't know that nodes were collapsible. The Terrans only know of it from the destruction of the sol jump node by the Lucifer.

Well, the only way the ancients knew how to kill a Lucifer is in subspace.
So, they take it out there, the node collapses. Then they know that nodes can be collapsed, in the same manner as the Terrans/Vasudans.

[blowfish]

But the Ancients wouldn't have figured that out, because by the time they discovered that $hivan $hields don't work in subspace, it was too late (at least that's what seemed to be implied by the cutscene).

[Droid803]

Which is why I said IF the ancients could stop the Lucifer.
There. Back where we came from. lol. 

[Akalabeth Angel]

If the ancients could stop the Lucifer, they would have collapsed a node.
Then, they would learn how to collapse nodes when they see 80 saths coming.

         They did collapse a node.
         The Knossos was turned off wasn't it? It was just turned off a little too late evidently.

[haloboy100]

Where does it say the ancients collapsed a node?

[blowfish]

Turning off a Knossos doesn't collapse the node.

[Droid803]

The node will collapse itself...given time.
If they turned off the Knossos when they first saw the Shivans, that may have worked...however, Shivans have the ability to go through unstable nodes with no ill effect. (Well, at least the FS1 Shivans).

[karajorma]

Assuming it was the Ancients who turned off the Knossos of course....

The Shivans presumably understand the tech too and might have had their own reasons for turning it off. We know that they can get into GTVA space by some other route anyway.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Assuming it was the Ancients who turned off the Knossos of course....

The Shivans presumably understand the tech too and might have had their own reasons for turning it off. We know that they can get into GTVA space by some other route anyway.

         Well, that idea adheres to my own theory that the Lucifer fleet was trapped on the wrong side of the Knossos when the Ancients deactivated it when they tried to consolidate their losses and isolate themselves from endless tide of Shivans driving them back. But unfortunately for the ancients, they still couldn't stop them. Why else would the Shivans have disappeared for so long? Only to return when the Knossos was reactivated and the figurative gate to hell opened anew.

         As such the Lucifer didn't come into GTVA space via another route, it was simply in the neighbourhood having been trapped here for so long. Hence the lack of beams, etcetera on most of the ships save the flagship.


         Unforunately, that idea kinda screws up my own campaign idea and I haven't been able to rework the ending without being a repeat of the old

[Mongoose]

2)  It takes more than a couple of meson bombs to collapse a node (the Bastion contained a log, IIRC).

Wow...I'm never running through the woods again.

[Stormkeeper]

         Well, that idea adheres to my own theory that the Lucifer fleet was trapped on the wrong side of the Knossos when the Ancients deactivated it when they tried to consolidate their losses and isolate themselves from endless tide of Shivans driving them back. But unfortunately for the ancients, they still couldn't stop them. Why else would the Shivans have disappeared for so long? Only to return when the Knossos was reactivated and the figurative gate to hell opened anew.

         As such the Lucifer didn't come into GTVA space via another route, it was simply in the neighbourhood having been trapped here for so long. Hence the lack of beams, etcetera on most of the ships save the flagship.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Lucy fleet entered from Ross 128, yes ? But the Knossos portal is at Gamma Draconis, or at least in its vicinity. That's quite a distance. And i doubt that deactivating the Knossos portal would've stopped the Lucy fleet from going home. Shivans can navigate unstable warp points after all. I also doubt that the Knossos Portal is precisely at the chokepoint of the universe. Its more likely that the Lucy fleet was a very old fleet that the Shivans thought would be enough to wipe out Earth, seeing as how flux beam weaponry was exclusive to the Lucifer itself.

[GTSVA]

I was playing Procyon Insurgency and in the first mission...with the Aten...it shoots out like a missle type thing, not a blob....but something...what was it?

[Stormkeeper]

I was playing Procyon Insurgency and in the first mission...with the Aten...it shoots out like a missle type thing, not a blob....but something...what was it?

I think its the missile launcher. The Aten has one iirc. Its equally hopeless at capital combat. I think the thing is called ... Uh. Flux bomb or something.

[GTSVA]

It doesn't look like the missiles that the Fenris or Leviathan shoots....it is yellowish and faster than a blob...

[Mobius]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the Lucy fleet entered from Ross 128, yes ? But the Knossos portal is at Gamma Draconis, or at least in its vicinity. That's quite a distance. And i doubt that deactivating the Knossos portal would've stopped the Lucy fleet from going home. Shivans can navigate unstable warp points after all. I also doubt that the Knossos Portal is precisely at the chokepoint of the universe. Its more likely that the Lucy fleet was a very old fleet that the Shivans thought would be enough to wipe out Earth, seeing as how flux beam weaponry was exclusive to the Lucifer itself.

May I know why you talk as if there's only one Knossos subspace portal? It's just speculation, but...you can't exclude the presence of a Knossos in Ross 128.

[haloboy100]

I was playing Procyon Insurgency and in the first mission...with the Aten...it shoots out like a missle type thing, not a blob....but something...what was it?

I think its the missile launcher. The Aten has one iirc. Its equally hopeless at capital combat. I think the thing is called ... Uh. Flux bomb or something.

The Vasudan Flux cannon? That's the Vasudan equivalent of the fusion mortar, IIRC.

[Droid803]

That Aten is prolly table-hacked.
Its only supposed to have 2 TT's, 2 Subach, and 2 AAAf's.
Or they may have upgraded blob textures so they look like streaks. Not sure.

[blowfish]

It doesn't look like the missiles that the Fenris or Leviathan shoots....it is yellowish and faster than a blob...

PI uses a variety of odd fast large yellow blobs.  Its probably one of them.