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Offline Ghostavo

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The intro movie was a rushed project, so some facts are hidden from the player, like Sol going nova, etc... and others are just plain wrong.

They decided to change a lot of things at the end of development and as a result got a lot of inconsistencies. See every preview/review of the game that mentions some part of the backstory and see how many sleeper ships they mention.

Here's two examples.

Many previews refer to a 10 minute intro (yes, 3 minutes longer than the "extended" intro movie) that explains the backstory.
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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I know. I saw both before I got Freelancer.

I think the reason why they cut so much stuff out from the intro is because it no longer fit into the story. If an Alliance survivor had jumped to Sirius after the supernova and warned everyone about the Nomads, the whole Freelancer story, as it is now, won't exist.
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Offline Al Tarket

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i have a few problems with that intro, for once when or if a supernova happens the shockwave and sheer heat would dissolve the planet instantly, many games portray a shockwave with a planet crumbling away adding to that Jupiter is just a gas ball so that should of just exploded as the explosion happened, and what ever happened after that would of been blown away. this seems typical of everything to do with supernovas, a better term is a lack of better understanding from anyone who portrays this stuff. imagine it like this, a city like Pompeii along time ago was built near a volcano, like earths people are built up near the sun. shortly after the volcanos top exploded and spewed out hot molten rock and dissolved all stuff that could not withstand its heat, now expand on that by a factor of 1 trillion, turn it into an expansive shockwave and wall of molten rock up against a planet or a gas ball.

one of the other problems i had with this is, this lone survivor which is impossible becuase nothing would of survived the shockwave.

and the last one is this nomad ship, if the nomads had this ship already why didnt they use it against the people in the Sirius sector instead of using covert sabotage?
 
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Offline Cyker

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The intro movie was a rushed project, so some facts are hidden from the player, like Sol going nova, etc... and others are just plain wrong.

OH MY GOD!!! THE NOMADS ARE SHIVANS IN DISGUISE!!! :eek:  :jaw: :warp:

First Capella and now Sol! Those dirty shivan nomads!!



(On a tangent, is there a mod to make the turrets independently auto-targetting? Originally there was supposed to be a computer upgrade you can buy that let you fly while the computer fired, but obviously this wasn't in the final game...)

 

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(On a tangent, is there a mod to make the turrets independently auto-targetting? Originally there was supposed to be a computer upgrade you can buy that let you fly while the computer fired, but obviously this wasn't in the final game...)
There was also supposed to be a branching campaign in the game, but...
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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If you're playing the Discovery Mod, get an ID. card.

You cannot sell your tractor beam in vanilla.

one of the other problems i had with this is, this lone survivor which is impossible becuase nothing would of survived the shockwave.

...perhaps Pluto was too cold for the supernova to blow it up, but that's very unlikely.

and the last one is this nomad ship, if the nomads had this ship already why didnt they use it against the people in the Sirius sector instead of using covert sabotage?

That Nomad ship was cut from the intro simply because it is too powerful. Obviously, if it was put into the game, the Freelancer we know today won't exist. Remember what Juni said on Trent's first visit to Battleship Osiris? Trent asked Orillian why the Nomads didn't engage all four colonies head-on, and Juni said that the reason for that was because the combined power of Liberty, Bretonia, Kusari and Rhienland would be too much for even the Nomads to handle. Hence, the Nomads needed to "tenderise" the colonies by taking control of high-ranking officials and starting a war between all four colonies. Only when that war is in full swing can the Nomads come in and wipe out the rest.

This is completely logical, since ten ships can take out a Nomad Battleship, but ten ships cannot take out a Liberty Cruiser. Add on to the fact that Rhienland and Kusari are the two colonies with stronger fighters, while Bretonia and Liberty have stronger warships, and you get the New Alliance.
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Offline Al Tarket

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well i dont think it would of mattered what juni said, all you need is a lure a small fleet, jump a nomad starkiller the opposite side of the system about 150k away from that attack launch the weapon, then cloak and jump out along with the rest of the nomads while those forces hell bent on keeping the nomads back get wiped out, strong warships included.

once these colonies where first being built the nomads could of easily wiped them out, and its a safe bet to say the nomads already knew the location of the new human settlements well before the humans who left sol knew of this nomad ship, that said, it seems more then coincidence that right after these colony ships left the nomads jumped in and uncloaked which would tend to fit the theory of what i said about nomads already knowing where the new human colonies where, because they probably already had them tracked keeping a nomad interceptor in toe via cloak.

about the supernova, i did read somewhere about a few years back that when or if our sun goes nova along time from now (hopefully), that the nova will only go as far as the asteroid field between mars and jupiter and then dissipate. which would leave 3 gas balls or more, 20 or more rocks and 2 or 3 water balls including pluto as one of these options.

the only other problem with that is the remenent of the nova, once this hot rock cools down, and does so quickly because of the vacuum it will form fast moving maller asteroids which will bombard anything that has a strong enough magnetic, now i know of one planet orbiting jupter that is made of water so that planet is except from bombardment, but gas balls like Jupiter could have a problem, which such condensed gas and all that pressure, and where will it all go? on its satellites (orbiting planets) and Saturn which is the same thing with smaller asteroids in a ring shape and its satellites. im not sure why they forgot this info, especially since human scienctists wish to create a settlement on a small planet on one of jupiters satellites.
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Offline Roanoke

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Does anyone know if a way to become friendly with the Liberty criminal factions (in the early stages) that doesn't involve spending ages hunting for the odd Bounty Hunter ?
Mass-murder the Xenos. That just leaves one angry "pirate" faction. Everyone else will be happy. At that point of the game.


Pretty much what I've done. Joing in and helping with any random fights i could find.
I've now got buntyhunters as super-hostile (and knocking about in large numbers) and Xenos in neutral/going hostile. Everyone else is either neutral or friendly. Finally got the Rochester and Buffalo job boards open so the liberty criminals are my best mates right now.
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The thing is, though, that all these points are probably valid if Freelancer was released the way that it is conceived. The fact that both the Nomad star-killer and supernova are cut from the final intro means that they aren't canon, because if they were canon, the intro won't be cut.
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A LOT of things were cut out. You cna still see cutscenes of charshlanding on a plant, Trent and Juni running around, shooting and all kinds of stuff that was cut out.

I'm personally glad the nomad sun-buster was left out, since I generally hate that magic super-tech stuff.

I'm sad that a lot of missions were apparently cut and that the blanace was done very poorly in singleplayer - the daft linear progression where every ships and weapon you get are superior to the old one in a linear fashion...which is bad since you progressed the nations one by one and it ended up with liberty fighters and weapons being totally uber-weak compared to Kusari and Rheinland ones.
Instead, a better way to go would be to balance all 4 nations and then simply put the prices and item availabiltiy so that the player can't get the best stuff in Liberty early on. I actually started to make a re-balancing mod like this, but quit after some time.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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I think it would have been cool if there had been some serious differences between ships, especially when comparing house ships. Something like Rheinland having heavily armoured but sluggish ships, Kusari having fast and agile but rather weak ships and so on. And noticeable difference between shield types. As it is, graviton shields are usually the only option due to them having greater capacity compared to the other shield types.
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Offline Al Tarket

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yeah its a big balance issue, you cant go around the later missions as secure as you would if you encountered a fleet of Rhineland ships. i mean when you get back into liberty via texas to new york and the sensor that detects cloaked ships, and then these patriot nomad prototypes as one example about 1 to 4 shots from one patriot could easily kill you if your not paying much attention, and because their are at least 10 of these vs you, juni and king you have to deal with and you get what the example is about.

if you actually had a war between nomad gunboats and fighters against a huge fleet of ships from anyone of the houses, the nomads would win very easy.
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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I think it would have been cool if there had been some serious differences between ships, especially when comparing house ships. Something like Rheinland having heavily armoured but sluggish ships, Kusari having fast and agile but rather weak ships and so on. And noticeable difference between shield types. As it is, graviton shields are usually the only option due to them having greater capacity compared to the other shield types.

My take is:

Rhienland's ships are durable, but they have less frontal firepower. Kusari ships are very agile, but appear to have a small powerplant. Bretonian ships balance everything out, offering excellent frontal firepower with little sacrifices to powerplant or agility. Liberty ships are fairly sluggish and have a terrible powerplant. Civilian ships are very agile, but quite delicate. Pirate vessels have good powerplants and frontal firepower, but lack agility and armour, and are also very easy to hit. Corsair ships have nice powerplants and are quite agile and durable, but are relatively easy to hit. Bounty Hunter ships are agile and durable, but have a terrible powerplant. Border World ships are sluggish, but have good powerplants and armour ratings.

It should be noted that Planets Malta and Crete do not sell any type of shield except for positron shields. The Aegis and Brigandine shields are positron shields.

Among the top three very heavy fighters, I daresay that the most agile ship is the Eagle. The most durable ship is the Titan, and the ship with the most frontal firepower is the Sabre. In my opinion, the Titan is the compromise between strength and agility, even though my preference will always be the Sabre due to its frontal firepower.
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Offline Al Tarket

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durable is just another word for reliability and the titan hardly fills that role, it belongs more to the sabre and eagle.

the titan is very easy to hit and is very sluggish as a very heavy fighter, and if you know your is a ship that isn't as good as the other ship that your going to fight, then durability is not satisfied. you have to know your ship will do the job and that is the durability factored.

if your talking about ship health overall then the titan has the best marks for overall hull for a fighter, otherwise it's not much more useful in the long run. and i speak as a person who has used that ship, i wouldn't be caght dead in one of them titan's anyday... opps i am already dead :rolleyes: that eagle killed me before i could do anything it outmaneuvered me!.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Among the top three very heavy fighters, I daresay that the most agile ship is the Eagle. The most durable ship is the Titan, and the ship with the most frontal firepower is the Sabre. In my opinion, the Titan is the compromise between strength and agility, even though my preference will always be the Sabre due to its frontal firepower.

I'm fairly sure the Titan has the most weapon hardpoints that are aimed forward, even if its turret is a rear gun.
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Offline Jeff Vader

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Among the top three very heavy fighters, I daresay that the most agile ship is the Eagle. The most durable ship is the Titan, and the ship with the most frontal firepower is the Sabre. In my opinion, the Titan is the compromise between strength and agility, even though my preference will always be the Sabre due to its frontal firepower.

I'm fairly sure the Titan has the most weapon hardpoints that are aimed forward, even if its turret is a rear gun.
Nope. Every very heavy fighter features six gun/missile hardpoints and one turret hardpoint. Of all very heavy fighters, only the Anubis and the Sabre have the hardpoints placed so that every weapon can fire forward. The Eagle, the Titan and the Hammerhead have the turret placed so that it cannot fire forward..
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14:08 < achillion > Let's talk about politics instead
14:08 <@The_E > butts and dongs are part of #hard-light's brand now
14:08 <@The_E > well
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01:07 < achillion > penis infection?
01:08 < T-Rog > Chlamydia
01:08 < achillion > O.o
01:09 < achillion > well
01:09 < achillion > I guess that happens
01:09 < T-Rog > at least it's curable
01:09 < achillion > yeah
01:10 < T-Rog > I take it you weren't actually expecting it to be a penis infection
01:10 < achillion > I was not

14:04 < achillion > Sometimes the way to simplify is to just have a habit and not think about it too much
14:05 < achillion > until stuff explodes
14:05 < achillion > then you start thinking about it

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Offline Al Tarket

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the only advantage the sabre and anubis has is a full 180 half circle degree for which the turret can use, however the drawback is the underneath where the thrusters are on the sabre and anubis where the afterburner is located also, exploit that and you live. but unlucky many people tend to use z and tab for sideways full movement and evasive practices however the anubis along with the titan are practically and literally useless at, the sabre has half a chance at it which is ok.
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Offline Androgeos Exeunt

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Strangely enough, I find myself getting hit a lot while flying the Anubis. Even tapping the afterburner key hardly works.

The Level limitation is also pretty annoying at best. It's almost impossible to get the Sunslayer Torpedo Launcher, because it's only sold on Bundschuh Base Bruschal...and only available for sale to you if you're on good terms with them. There's no point being friendly with them just for one torpedo launcher. It might be better to just buy two Cannonball Missile Launchers and be done with it. :mad:
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