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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
But :v: knows and that tbl comes from :v:. The GTVA might not know but :v: does.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
And :v: might have put misinformation in the Species.tbl.

 
Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
But :v: knows and that tbl comes from :v:. The GTVA might not know but :v: does.

Assuming they've actually fleshed out what Shivans are, that is. All I've heard [V] say is that they are a "symptom of a much bigger problem" or somesuch, outside of what FS1 and 2 tell us.

And that what we see in the Hallfight cutscene is the real thing, an actual Shivan.

 

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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
The "symptom" thing is more about FS3.

The Species.tbl was :v:'s only way to tell us something about the Shivans. With our without proof the Hive theory, just to give an example, is the more plausible one giving the way they act/react.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
The Species.tbl was :v:'s only way to tell us something about the Shivans. With our without proof the Hive theory, just to give an example, is the more plausible one giving the way they act/react.
Who says that they actually want to give us this info? It's far more plausible they're just throwing around ideas for us, not proving things.

 

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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
There's enough proof to accept the Hive mind theory if we apply that to the way the Shivans behave. Whatever controls the Shivans may or may not fit well with the Hive theory, ok, but the pragmatic part fits well.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
:v: gave us info in a credible way, where's the problem?

That's not explicit. We have an in-universe hypothesis that has not been revealed to be true or false by anyone.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
It's the only hypothesis we need to follow until others are given...
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
[omglolsomanytagsithinktheforummachineryisgoingtobreaksoon]It's the only hypothesis we need to follow until others are given...[/shadow][/i][/color]
We don't "need to follow" anything. The canon info says "maybe". So, basically if someone else says something else, he doesn't have as much credibility as the canon speculation. But it is not wrong to bring forth one's visions in, say, usermade campaigns.

Now, had the canon info said "the Shivans were explicitly developed in a zero-g environment", we would need to follow it, since canon material says that that's how things are. But, as it was mentioned repeatedly, it's all just "maybe". "Perhaps". "Could be but I shall have my tea now".
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
Shivans, remember, seem to wear some sort of mechanized exoskeleton.  Which means that when it slams through that Thoth cockput, it's probably not all 100% raw shivan muscle doing it.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
Shivans, remember, seem to wear some sort of mechanized exoskeleton.  Which means that when it slams through that Thoth cockput, it's probably not all 100% raw shivan muscle doing it.

Already debunked by the developers.  What we see is a Shivan, not something in an exoskeleton.
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
Hmm... I coulda sworn I read something about that in the techroom...
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Re: Thought on Shivan pilots, if there have ever been any...
you did goatmaster. It was one of the few hypothesise's in the game about the shivans that was solved by V. Since shivans are so big, and a good deal of them is legs. They can compact and fold themselves up. I don't see any problem with a shivan fitting into any of there fighters.

If shivans didn't fold themselves up before they get in. Then obviously there's something we're missing information on concerning our own species and how we get into standard human cockpits. Obviously getting into a human cockpit upside, spread eagle, sideways, standing up, or arms and legs out stretched in all directions is not going to work. A human must sit down in the standard human cockpit seat and that's how humans do it. Now when applying other thinking to how a shivan fits in one of their fighters. You  need to realize that fs fighters are frakking huge! And you also got to realize that while TV forces get into their cockpits a certain way, that the shivans have a certain way to get into their cockpits as well. I'm pretty sure shivans don't get jammed into their fighters hoping they fit (that'd be really funny watching a shivan device do that). I think they fold themselves up to do it. Probably their form of sitting down in a cockpit seat.
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