[CP5670]

I personally think that patriotism based on nationality alone (instead of ideals) is really stupid, but that's just me.

[Bobboau]

wasn't there a revolution in france between the government that helped out (only to piss off the british, not becase they realy cared about us) during the revolutionary war, and WW1 and 2 (note we saved youre asses twice as well as the british and... every one else for that mater, but it isn't like we bring it up that often )

[Nico]

Originally posted by Bobboau
wasn't there a revolution in france between the government that helped out (only to piss off the british, not becase they realy cared about us) during the revolutionary war, and WW1 and 2 (note we saved youre asses twice as well as the british and... every one else for that mater, but it isn't like we bring it up that often )

actually, it wasn't "really" the government that helped out back then, it was, well, it was an unoffical help
We just lended a lot of canons, for no purpose, that is, nothing to do with the fact the amearican people wanted to make a revolution of course :lol

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by venom2506


In fact, I am much more scandinavian, since I'm 100% normand
Where's my Drakkar damnit? (oh, idea, the Volition Bravo needs a challenger, no? )

hehe I just made up a new one liner...

Hey baby....I can lick my drakkar.  

[Sandwich]

I'm American-born and raised (until age 10). I'm more "proud" to live in Israel than I am to be American. I have my choice of where to live, and I'm perfectly fine right where I am, thank you very much.

Patriotisim is over-rated. C'mon, folks - where's the patriotisim in all the flag-flying and American breast-beating after a common enemy has shown his face? Yippee - America was attacked, so the Americans now all have more or less the same "love" for their country and desire to see justice brought against those who hurt them. So what - that would happen in any country that comes under attack - having a common enemy and all that.

It's the pre-9/11 America that shows how "patriotic" Americans truly are. Courage is not standing your ground when you don't have a choice - courage is standing your ground when you have the option of falling back. Patriotisim is the same - show me how patriotic Americans are when they don't have any special threat facing them.

True patriotisim is showing your love for your country without any special reason to, aside from the love you feel in and of itself.

PS. Sorry for the America-bashing, but I feel that I can get away with it, simply because I'm just as American as the rest of them. So no offense, dudes.

[CP5670]

True patriotisim is showing your love for your country without any special reason to, aside from the love you feel in and of itself.

lol, that's exactly why I think patriotism of any kind is stupid. Nations are merely people grouped together usually either by their physical location or out of temporary necessity; every nation contains both good and bad people, and it makes no sense to be proud of the whole thing. I was born in the US and have spent almost all of my life here, but if I had a choice I would live here anyway since it effectively leads the world in scientific and technological progress. (which is all I care about ) I don't really care about the nation as a whole though; it is just another institution, its members united only by their location. (it used to be by loosely defined ideas, but those faded away over time) I think that this patriotic surge in the US due to 9/11 will die down over the course of the year and things will return to normal; the signs of it can already be seen now.

[Nico]

well, not that I want to defend USA or anything, but in France, they've always been considered as the most patriotic people in the world. Maybe that's cliché (just like frenchs with the bread stick under the shoulder and the beret on ), but we always imagine americans with their flag in the house, stuff like that. I don't know any other people who would do that.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by venom2506
well, not that I want to defend USA or anything, but in France, they've always been considered as the most patriotic people in the world. Maybe that's cliché (just like frenchs with the bread stick under the shoulder and the beret on ), but we always imagine americans with their flag in the house, stuff like that. I don't know any other people who would do that.

Maybe during World War II but not anymore. Well, not until after 9/11. Now yes. Before, no. Nobody honestly cared about the US before 9/11, but now that we're the victims for once, everybody is patriotic.

Truthfully, patriotism can be very stupid at times. Of course be loyal to your country (or the country that you believe in) but there are certain things that some people do for their country that can be completely ridiculous.

[CODEDOG ND]

I prefer not to be patrotic, but I do respect the country I live in and I doubt I would want to live anywhere else.  I'm not going to go around saying "God Bless America" and where american flags yadda yadda yadda.  But I will contribute to military services if or when it is needed.  And I do pity those who go flee to Canada like a coward or those who agree with Jane Fonda...*cough*******cough*.  Sorry got a cold

[Setekh]

Originally posted by sandwich
I'm American-born and raised (until age 10). I'm more "proud" to live in Israel than I am to be American. I have my choice of where to live, and I'm perfectly fine right where I am, thank you very much.

Patriotisim is over-rated. C'mon, folks - where's the patriotisim in all the flag-flying and American breast-beating after a common enemy has shown his face? Yippee - America was attacked, so the Americans now all have more or less the same "love" for their country and desire to see justice brought against those who hurt them. So what - that would happen in any country that comes under attack - having a common enemy and all that.

It's the pre-9/11 America that shows how "patriotic" Americans truly are. Courage is not standing your ground when you don't have a choice - courage is standing your ground when you have the option of falling back. Patriotisim is the same - show me how patriotic Americans are when they don't have any special threat facing them.

True patriotisim is showing your love for your country without any special reason to, aside from the love you feel in and of itself.

PS. Sorry for the America-bashing, but I feel that I can get away with it, simply because I'm just as American as the rest of them. So no offense, dudes.

I've gotta agree there. Sandwich just (unknowingly, and surprisingly) summarised my thoughts very well. The world has a lot of twisted views in it, I'll tell y'all that...

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Bobboau
wasn't there a revolution in france between the government that helped out (only to piss off the british, not becase they realy cared about us) during the revolutionary war, and WW1 and 2 (note we saved youre asses twice as well as the british and... every one else for that mater, but it isn't like we bring it up that often )

You may of saved the continentals but the British won the battle of britian. Im very Patriotic but for no other reason than love of country(England namely, but it applies to Britian as well, its funny how some people think Scotland and Wales are just counties ). I always have a Union Jack in my pocket around school(its funny when someone borrowed it, stood up in class and started signing god save to queen).

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Zeronet


You may of saved the continentals but the British won the battle of britian. Im very Patriotic but for no other reason than love of country(England namely, but it applies to Britian as well, its funny how some people think Scotland and Wales are just counties ). I always have a Union Jack in my pocket around school(its funny when someone borrowed it, stood up in class and started signing god save to queen).

Please...The queen needs to be put out of her misery lol j/k

She like a 100,000,000,000,000 years old now...

[CP5670]

I don't really get it though; why is the queen still there? The power is all delegated to the parliament and the royal family really does nothing in running the government; the Prime Minister should be the figurehead, not the queen or king or whatever...

I like some of the ideals that the US is founded upon and, more importantly, the fact that it is the leading nation is terms of scientific and technological progress, but the nation is full of idiots (just like any other) and since I try to base my thoughts on rationality and logic alone, I am not really patriotic either.

[CODEDOG ND]

its a culture thing

[CP5670]

ah I see; tradition?

(if I give my views on this I'll be blasted by everyone else, so I will be quiet here :D )

[Nico]

english people are strange people than love to spend money for a family of weirdos that does nothing
just j/k

[Mr. Vega]

I hate patiotism because it leads to nationalism (Which in my mind, is the second worse thing in the world to racism. If I could have one wish granted, it would be a world government, not counting being able to traverse the stars.), even though I'm American.

P.S. I'm also Texan, but I'm not republican and hate Bush, so please don't flame me for that.

[Galemp]

Originally posted by venom2506
english people are strange people than love to spend money for a family of weirdos that does nothing
just j/k

What do you mean? They single handedly keep the Tabloid industry in business! Not to mention the Diana commemmorative *insert noun here*.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by venom2506
english people are strange people than love to spend money for a family of weirdos that does nothing
just j/k

They are just their, nobody cares about them, so nobody bothered to get rid of them, also the Queen serve as the Head of State in Austraila and New Zealand(technically you could consider them British territory to this day).

Not enough Tradition in this world, political correctness, its a world gone mad.

[CODEDOG ND]

Originally posted by Mr. Vega
I hate patiotism because it leads to nationalism (Which in my mind, is the second worse thing in the world to racism. If I could have one wish granted, it would be a world government, not counting being able to traverse the stars.), even though I'm American.

P.S. I'm also Texan, but I'm not republican and hate Bush, so please don't flame me for that.

1.  TEXAS 0WNZ!!! (b/c I'm from Texas)
2.  Bush not all that great but politicians are politicians better than Gore, (rant: Second Amendment 0wnz!, Abortion is Murder!)
3.  World Government would 0wn but it would probably have to be a swift and decisive thing.  Say, UN ppl vs Non-UN ppl if you don't join you DIE!!!!