[Bob-san]

RIP Liberty: July 4, 1776 - November 4, 2008.

[Scuddie]

oh stfu.

It died in November 2000 .

[Spicious]

You seem to be off by about 8 years.

[chief1983]

EDIT:  Ron Paul is an icon of the kind of integrity and wisdom that the republican party once stood for.  Could that be why?

Supposedly Ron Paul is also a member of the KKK.  But I don't buy that.  Either way I'd still vote for him since I agree with pretty much everything else he believes in, which is a better track record than most other candidates.

[Mars]

RIP Liberty: July 4, 1776 - November 4, 2008.

lawls...

First off, there was little to no liberty in 1776, secondly, if there ever was liberty, it died long before today.

Obama... the best chance the US has of being great again.

[chief1983]

Obama... the best chance the US has of being great again.

Again, that goes to Ron Paul, not Obama.  But he can try all he wants.

[Nuclear1]

Obama... the best chance the US has of being great again.

Again, that goes to Ron Paul, not Obama.  But he can try all he wants.

I wouldn't dare trust Ron Herbert Hoover Paul with fixing this economy in a hundred years.

[Dark RevenantX]

Nobody can fix our mess, except probably Chuck Norris.  Then again, his solution would be to kill every politician, but still...

[StarSlayer]

Well the Democrats get their chance, so long as they don't turn us into the Republic of Haven then they probably can't do worse then the previous eight. 

[Mars]

Obama... the best chance the US has of being great again.

Again, that goes to Ron Paul, not Obama.  But he can try all he wants.

Ron Paul never had any chance... that's what you need to understand.

It was either going to be Hiliary, Obama, or (very remotely) McCain.

Ron Paul brought in a strange combination of religious fundamentalism and libertarianism that can no longer work. Isn't the point of libertarianism that the government should stay out of our lives? How do you combine that with the pro-life and anti-gay positions he takes?

[Bob-san]

I am more pissed off that there's Democratic control of our Legislature and Executive branches, and come 2010-2012, you can probably add the Judicial on there too.

[Mars]

I agree such a high majority has a lot of potential dangers.

On the other hand, no one was talking about how scary a Republican majority in the three branches was in the 2004 election... or at least not to my memory.

[Scuddie]

Better to have broken Republican control than stable Democratic control, eh?

Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer that Democrats don't know how to manage anything efficiently and are too quick to act.  However, it is a FACT that the Republican party is NOTHING like it was 20 years ago.  The Democrats are closer than the Republicans are is when compared to their own prime back in the Reagan days.

If it were November 1988 and the Democrats took over, I'd be pissed off too (had I not been 5 years old at the time).  But this isn't 1988, this is 2008.  That generation of Republicans is gone, and it has been taken over by those who lust over power and self-interest.

Open your eyes.

[BloodEagle]

[Mars]

Would all of you honestly been happier if McCain had won?

[Scuddie]

I sincerely hope not.

[BloodEagle]

If McCain had won, I would have used his picture instead of Obama's.

[Scuddie]

Meh.  Unforeseen consequences are just that.  Unforeseen consequences.  While I'd normally much rather know what I'm voting for, this is a rare occasion when I'd rather take the gamble.

[Mars]

Who would make you happy if they won? Ant candidate will have unforeseen consequences, and probably even foreseen consequences - especially in an election such as this where the country is in shambles from day one of a presidency.

President Ron Paul would certainly have consequences if he executed a theistic moralist, pro unregulated trade, pro gun agenda.

It's easy to complain. I for one admit that there will certainly be some problematic decisions from the executives ahead, on the other hand, I consider Obama to be the best possible choice, if only for his international image.

[Goober5000]

It's too bad; we were all warned about the Obama juggernaut back when it might have been possible to do something about it.

Like what? Bush ran the country into the ground. While the economic mess isn't his fault (the blame for that goes to Greenspan), running massive deficits, financially bleeding us white in Iraq, and alienating our allies for the sake of pointless military adventurism

o hai.  i'm in ur forum, maeking ur joke.

But I agree, as I said a few posts above the one you quoted.  I enthusiastically voted for Bush in 2000 but voted for Badnarik in 2004 and Baldwin in 2008.  Bush and the neocons pretty much stabbed the Republicans in the back, and it's going to take them a few years (and probably quite a bit longer) in the wilderness to realize that they need to go back to the old-school stuff.

Ron Paul brought in a strange combination of religious fundamentalism and libertarianism that can no longer work. Isn't the point of libertarianism that the government should stay out of our lives? How do you combine that with the pro-life and anti-gay positions he takes?

The personal is not the political, see.  In other words, the government should not have the authority to impose personal opinions on anyone.

That means, get the government's meddling hands out of the people's business, and let them decide what they want.  What business does the government have authorizing marriages, anyway?  Let the churches handle it like they used to; and if homosexuals want to marry, they can form their own Church of Adam & Steve and hold whatever ceremony they want.  As for survivors benefits and other legal partnership stuff, that can go under contract law where it naturally belongs.