[BloodEagle]

The picture doesn't say "prepare for unforeseen consequences," it says "prepare for unforeseen consequences."

Who would make you happy if they won? Ant candidate will have unforeseen consequences, and probably even foreseen consequences - especially in an election such as this where the country is in shambles from day one of a presidency.

None of them would or could have made me happy. Every single choice available was a poor choice.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Let the churches handle it like they used to; and if homosexuals want to marry, they can form their own Church of Adam & Steve and hold whatever ceremony they want. 

    No offense to any homosexuals in this community, but that was pretty funny.

[Kosh]

The picture doesn't say "prepare for unforeseen consequences," it says "prepare for unforeseen consequences."

Who would make you happy if they won? Ant candidate will have unforeseen consequences, and probably even foreseen consequences - especially in an election such as this where the country is in shambles from day one of a presidency.

None of them would or could have made me happy. Every single choice available was a poor choice.

Here's the big reason we should give Obama a chance: He's not Bush. Let him show us what he will do. If we went with McCain it would just be like re-electing Bush.

[Bob-san]

I agree such a high majority has a lot of potential dangers.

On the other hand, no one was talking about how scary a Republican majority in the three branches was in the 2004 election... or at least not to my memory.

Would all of you honestly been happier if McCain had won?

I would be happier if we had a bipartisan government. McCain as president, or at least a sizeable enough portion of Republicans in one half of the Legislature to block bills. Last I checked, Republicans hold 40 seats in the Senate to the Democrat's 54--and I don't know about the status of the remaining 6 seats. In the House, the Democrats control 60% of the seats (upon last check). Both ways, they can push most legislation through without ever listening to Republican opinion, especially as not every Democrat has the same agenda, and not every Republican is a cookie-cutter version of dear old W.

Anyways--the advantage I see for a Republican majority in government is that Republicans, on a whole, don't push as much controversial legislation. We really can't take W.'s agenda as a view of a conservative, true Republican agenda. What I mean is I feel that liberal judges allow typically for more flexibility, and on the Supreme Court, their check on other branches of government is to declare legislation unconstitutional, and forcing an amendment if the law determined unconstitutional is to be reenacted. I would rather they strike down more legislation than less legislation, though I do realize it doesn't always hold true.

Anyways--do realize that only 2-3 of our Justices were seated under Democratic leadership: of the nine, most are in office because of Reagan, H.W., or W..

[Colonol Dekker]

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Congrats President Obama

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[Akalabeth Angel]

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Congrats President Obama

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      Don't think he's technically the president yet.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

As non-American, I see the election of Obama as a proof that the US is not a big pile of dumb people who don't know what's going on in the world. Except for some exceptions, of course I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I was really thinking that after Bush was re-elected. Even though I was only 13 at the time.

Even if Obama does only half of what he promised, he already showed the world that the United States don't want to be guilty anymore of about everything that goes wrong on this planet. He showed that the Americans want to gain a respected place in the eyes of the world community, instead of being feared, hated and laughed at.

If this was offensive to anyone, please remove this post.

[Kosh]

Anyways--the advantage I see for a Republican majority in government is that Republicans, on a whole, don't push as much controversial legislation. We really can't take W.'s agenda as a view of a conservative, true Republican agenda.

At yet at almost every turn there was the Republican congress there to backing him up and rubber stamp his agenda.

Both ways, they can push most legislation through without ever listening to Republican opinion,

Like Republicans did 8 years ago. What goes around comes around.

And besides, why should anyone listen to "Republican opinion"? The Republican party is getting its ass handed to it again, just like in 2006 because for the last 8 years they fouled up so many things. They did nothing to even try to solve fundamental problems like energy dependence, and instead catered to powerful special interest groups like the oil lobby. They had their chance and they blew it, big time. *


*Not that the Democrats have done much better these last two years since pretty much nothing has changed.

[karajorma]

As non-American, I see the election of Obama as a proof that the US is not a big pile of dumb people who don't know what's going on in the world. Except for some exceptions, of course I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I was really thinking that after Bush was re-elected.

You and pretty much everyone else not in America.

To be honest I don't think that's really any less true now than it was 4 years ago. It's just that this time they swung the way the rest of the world wanted them to. Had Obama been following on from Bill Clinton I doubt he would have won. He got a lot of votes from those who were simply sick of Bush and the Republicans rather than any deep understanding of what Obama actually stood for or what his policies were.

Then again I think the same sort of thing about the electorate of pretty much every nation.


But Obama won. Which is good since I really don't think McCain would have been good for America and I know that Palin certainly wouldn't have been.

[Maniax]

President-elect Obama!  This election is an inspiring symbol, and there's not too shabby of a mind in the man, either.  I'm still (happily) stunned it went this way.

[Odd Writings]

Aw...so Optimus Prime didn't run for president?



Drat. so all the energon cubes I stored up are for naught.

[FreeSpaceFreak]

As non-American, I see the election of Obama as a proof that the US is not a big pile of dumb people who don't know what's going on in the world. Except for some exceptions, of course. I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I was really thinking that after Bush was re-elected.

You and pretty much everyone else not in America.

To be honest I don't think that's really any less true now than it was 4 years ago. It's just that this time they swung the way the rest of the world wanted them to. Had Obama been following on from Bill Clinton I doubt he would have won. He got a lot of votes from those who were simply sick of Bush and the Republicans rather than any deep understanding of what Obama actually stood for or what his policies were.

True. But even these people have shown they are willing to vote for a non-white president, rather than a continuation of the Bush policy. I imagine that being a big step for many Americans. And it's a good thing, because it shows that the people of the US have become aware that 1. Bush was a complete disaster for the idea that other people, in other countries, have about the US, and 2. that the colour of one's skin says nothing about the qualities of a person.

But Obama won. Which is good since I really don't think McCain would have been good for America and I know that Palin certainly wouldn't have been.

Absolutely.

[KappaWing]

The personal is not the political, see.  In other words, the government should not have the authority to impose personal opinions on anyone.

That means, get the government's meddling hands out of the people's business, and let them decide what they want.  What business does the government have authorizing marriages, anyway?  Let the churches handle it like they used to; and if homosexuals want to marry, they can form their own Church of Adam & Steve and hold whatever ceremony they want.  As for survivors benefits and other legal partnership stuff, that can go under contract law where it naturally belongs.

Yeah, this "secular marriage" is called Civil Unions, which most republicans oppose.

What really gets to me is when they try to pass it off as a "states-rights issue" or a "judicial activism" issue to avoid having to explain their discriminatory views. Its a discrimination issue. Politicians should discuss the issue also, not just issues about the issue.

2. that the colour of one's skin says nothing about the qualities of a person.

I would argue that someone with dark skin would absorb more heat from the sun if standing in sunlight for the same amount of time.

[Kosh]

Yeah, this "secular marriage" is called Civil Unions, which most republicans oppose.

What really gets to me is when they try to pass it off as a "states-rights issue" or a "judicial activism" issue to avoid having to explain their discriminatory views. Its a discrimination issue. Politicians should discuss the issue also, not just issues about the issue.

They don't explain it and they dont really want to do anything about it because it has served since as long as I can remember as a useful wedge issure to divide the public.

[Bob-san]

And besides, why should anyone listen to "Republican opinion"? The Republican party is getting its ass handed to it again, just like in 2006 because for the last 8 years they fouled up so many things. They did nothing to even try to solve fundamental problems like energy dependence, and instead catered to powerful special interest groups like the oil lobby. They had their chance and they blew it, big time. *


*Not that the Democrats have done much better these last two years since pretty much nothing has changed.

Do note that the "Republican opinion" was elected by people to have their voice heard. The point of a Representative or Senator is to have their opinion heard--to represent the people that elected them. Now the house majority leader has the power to hear or ignore individual representatives--which makes a bi-partisan government in any form much more difficult. Sorry, but your statement pisses me off as you're just saying that 40% of the legislature don't have a valid voice, despite the fact that many were just reelected? Riiiiight. Basically do separate "opinion" and "control". I can have an opinion opposite your own, and our government is meant to work in a way that all opinions can be heard. Having a slim majority in one house, versus a wide majority, does influence bipartisan discussion. Other than that, McCain was voted for by greater than 55 million people, which is 46% of the voters. If you think that 46% of voters haven't a clue what they support, have fun with that. Many people vote along party lines, but there are people that supported McCain over Obama because they favored McCain's plan or McCain's views were most similar to their own.

Oh--and I do want to see exactly how the democrats in the past 2 years have done us such a favor. The only thing I remember from the past two years is Pelosi effectively refusing to work with Bush, who last I checked was reelected in 2004 with a majority of the popular vote.

[BloodEagle]

The picture doesn't say "prepare for unforeseen consequences," it says "prepare for unforeseen consequences."

Who would make you happy if they won? Ant candidate will have unforeseen consequences, and probably even foreseen consequences - especially in an election such as this where the country is in shambles from day one of a presidency.

None of them would or could have made me happy. Every single choice available was a poor choice.

Here's the big reason we should give Obama a chance: He's not Bush. Let him show us what he will do. If we went with McCain it would just be like re-electing Bush.

That's funny, in a way. Because I kind of view Obama as Bush's replacement.

[karajorma]

Oh--and I do want to see exactly how the democrats in the past 2 years have done us such a favor. The only thing I remember from the past two years is Pelosi effectively refusing to work with Bush

I think you've answered your own question.

[Herra Tohtori]

That's funny, in a way. Because I kind of view Obama as Bush's replacement.

Of course he is, he replaces Bush as the president of the United States of America. Duh.

Policy similarities and differences are another matter, though...

[General Battuta]

As non-American, I see the election of Obama as a proof that the US is not a big pile of dumb people who don't know what's going on in the world. Except for some exceptions, of course I hope I'm not offending anyone, but I was really thinking that after Bush was re-elected. Even though I was only 13 at the time.

Even if Obama does only half of what he promised, he already showed the world that the United States don't want to be guilty anymore of about everything that goes wrong on this planet. He showed that the Americans want to gain a respected place in the eyes of the world community, instead of being feared, hated and laughed at.

If this was offensive to anyone, please remove this post.

This is why I'm so glad Obama was elected. We live with these people, for goodness sake! There are other countries on Earth and their opinions do matter.

[Goober5000]

President-elect Obama!

Technically, not yet.  The electoral college meets on December 15.

It would be hilarious, in a sick sort of way, if Hillary arranges for Obama to be assassinated and then convinces the Democratic electors to vote for a Clinton-Biden ticket.