[Mars]

Because the "general population" has innocent people, who had nothing to do with the crisis involved as well. There were a large number of ****ers who screwed things up, and now I can't get a job, and if this continues, my little brothers might have trouble going to college.

[Mika]

Because the "general population" has innocent people, who had nothing to do with the crisis involved as well. There were a large number of ****ers who screwed things up, and now I can't get a job, and if this continues, my little brothers might have trouble going to college.

I don't think so. Your government has been enjoying a (silent, most likely) approval from the general population. If this wasn't so, general population would have stopped stuff from happening.

On the other hand, I'm looking forward for times when I can go to US flapping 5 Euro notes around and say "Yes ma'am, I'm one of those rich Ur-a-peans you might have heard of!" And behave like the good-ol' European Colonial lords! (In case anyone wondered, this is purposefully offensive. I don't know, it might put some incentive on the US population, to, like watch their surroundings and politics and use some common sense. This is probable as cows flying, but there, I wrote it down nevertheless.)

Besides, I think most of the Europeans have been aware for at least eight years (some of us a little bit longer, though) that US is on the brink of a financial collapse, hence the large amount of Bush policy bashing and critique towards large US cars.

Mika

[Mars]

Well for now you those of you Europeans who feel like being bastards can take comfort in the fact that the largest economic and military power in the world is potentially unstable.

Happy?

Lets all thank our new Chinese overlords - may they do a better job than we did

[Mika]

A thing what Europeans tried to tell you what would happen before US started warring.

And it is not like the first time there would have been a super power in our immediate proximity that failed financially. Hell, US is on the other side of the pond and the last one was literally our neighbor.

It will be interesting to see IF it goes to the point that Europeans are worried about American nukes being sold to black markets or used by American radicalists. (And yeah, this is purposefully offensive again.)

Mika

[Mars]

Yes, the US sucks doesn't it.

AND ITS STILL NOT MY FAULT.

Go away, trolling the US citizens on this forum will not solve anything. You're just gratifying yourself

[pecenipicek]

and some of us still dont give a crap about your little us of a and would gladly throw celebration parties when you ****ers finally fell down and realised that the rest of the world is laughing at you so hard they're almost dying.

[Mobius]

Pecenipicek, I've read two posts of yours today. Both of them sound incredibly idiotic. Please moderate yourself.

[Mika]

Huh?

I'm out of here for 20 minutes and it is already spiralling into a flamefest!

I never said US sucks. Actually a couple of our customers are US companies.

And this is not actually trolling. I'm purposefully stirring emotions, but I have not insulted anyone. Me as a colonial lord, for example, is unthinkable. I'm taught that all people are equal and that holds.

Lets all thank our new Chinese overlords - may they do a better job than we did

The last I heard that country is also on some kind of turmoil. Besides, I think it is again US itself that gave its wealth to China and India by offsourcing. So, thanks a bunch.

Mika

[Mobius]

No doubt there are many idiots in the US who continuously compromise America's reputation throughout the world...but pecenipicek's post went well beyond that. There are too many Americans in this forum who deserve respect.

[pecenipicek]

yet their country deserves all contempt. lrn2read

[Mika]

AND ITS STILL NOT MY FAULT.

If you have just turned 18 then it's true. Ask your parents why they allowed / are allowing this to happen. This is what I have been asking here from my parents. I have got some understanding of certain issues by listening to their replies. No, they didn't get angry about my questions.

In fact it turned out they opposed quite a lot of decisions by parliament, but since democracy works as it does, there is pretty much nothing else but to bite the upper lip and get through the bad times. It is, afterall, what general population wanted. And my parents and me are included in the general population.

Mika

EDIT: typos, typos, typos again

[Mika]

Left unsaid, is that it is actually my generation that bears the brunt of those decisions. But looking through the votings where I could not participate, they have been legal, and it is so that there is a general, democratic approval on those decisions. Too bad I can only say why the **** were you so stupid to make such idiotic decisions, but it simply doesn't change anything. I simply have to, as Americans say, deal with it and move on.

Just like Americans themselves also.

Mika

[Mars]

You haven't been to America much, have you?

The popular feeling is, among the majority of people I'm around anyway, that the past 8 years, and sometimes the past 16 years, that our decisions have sucked. People who voted for McCain and Obama both, by and large, wanted different policy. We as a nation are trying to move on from our mistakes.

I'm 19, when Bush was first elected, I was 11, his second election I was 15. It really is painful to have people accusing my country because of its past, very regrettable decisions. It's a lot like accusing the German population after WWII, or the British population after the Falklands. Many Americans did have a role in the current crisis, but many did not. As an American, who's trying to enter into the workforce, the economic crisis hurts; all because a bunch of stupid sods bought houses they couldn't afford.

This Nation has acted unilaterally against non-existent threats. The current administration threatened violence toward far to many countries. I believe a majority of yanks accept that. We can't change it, and as you've said, we can only deal with the results.

[redsniper]

Hey pecenipicek, **** you.

[Mars]

Don't pay pecenipeck any mind, ignore him

[Black Wolf]

Indeed. Everyone needs to chill a bit. This is a good topic, and doesn't deserve locking yet, but it's kinda trending that way. 'Twould be a shame to lose a good discussion because a few people want to act like twits (Pecenpicek and redsniper, that would be you).

[redsniper]

Alright fine, I got trolled. Sorry.

[Mars]

Honestly there's not really a lot left to discuss. The US led the world into an nasty economic crisis, because everyone had too much confidence in poor people paying their mortgages.. Now everyone, including the individual states of the Union, are feeling the crunch. The end.

[Kosh]

The popular feeling is, among the majority of people I'm around anyway, that the past 8 years, and sometimes the past 16 years, that our decisions have sucked. People who voted for McCain and Obama both, by and large, wanted different policy. We as a nation are trying to move on from our mistakes.

A great many people outside the US during these last 8 years (and even a few in the US, but too often they were shouted down as people who were unpatriotic or focusing too much on "negatives") believed something like this was going to happen.  US commentators were always telling us how "great" we are compared to those countries with "Eurosclerosis" and how everyone should follow our example (like Spain, Ireland, and Iceland did).

The US led the world into an nasty economic crisis, because everyone had too much confidence in poor people paying their mortgages..

They didn't care about whether or not poor people could pay for their mortgages, what they would do is after they get the mortgage, they would immediately chop it up and sell it off (for a profit of course) in the form of securities to people (or other banks) who would profit off of it, either by collecting the repayments or by selling it off to someone else, either another investor or another bank. This debt flipping would continue over and over and over.

It was plain greed, and a classic example of the "short term profits at the expense of long term success" mentality that is so wrong with out corporate culture today. Anyone who was paying attention could have seen this coming, but too few people cared to listen.

[Mars]

The popular feeling is, among the majority of people I'm around anyway, that the past 8 years, and sometimes the past 16 years, that our decisions have sucked. People who voted for McCain and Obama both, by and large, wanted different policy. We as a nation are trying to move on from our mistakes.

A great many people outside the US during these last 8 years (and even a few in the US, but too often they were shouted down as people who were unpatriotic or focusing too much on "negatives") believed something like this was going to happen.  US commentators were always telling us how "great" we are compared to those countries with "Eurosclerosis" and how everyone should follow our example (like Spain, Ireland, and Iceland did).

You've been watching too much Sean Hannity.

The US led the world into an nasty economic crisis, because everyone had too much confidence in poor people paying their mortgages..

They didn't care about whether or not poor people could pay for their mortgages, what they would do is after they get the mortgage, they would immediately chop it up and sell it off (for a profit of course) in the form of securities to people (or other banks) who would profit off of it, either by collecting the repayments or by selling it off to someone else, either another investor or another bank. This debt flipping would continue over and over and over.

It was plain greed, and a classic example of the "short term profits at the expense of long term success" mentality that is so wrong with out corporate culture today. Anyone who was paying attention could have seen this coming, but too few people cared to listen.

Yes it was. You'll notice though that the majority of people in the US weren't directly involved? I personally didn't sell any poor people any houses.