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I'm not on meds, which is strange, given how my mother works for a pharmaceutical company.
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I know a lot of people who aren't on any medications, actually. It's just me that's messed up, I guess.

The zoloft was actually helpful. The vyvanse as well. Trazodone, depakote, and benadril ain't done nothing but **** me up. >.<
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i stopped taking meds as soon as i turned 18 myself. see at that age i was an "adult" and had to buy the pills myself. since i wasnt employed till i was 20, that sorta didnt work. so instead i discovered the medical applications of booze and marijuana as a mood stabilizer. i think it worked.
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You could grow up to be just like Nuke

 

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I'm hoping to grow up to be Turambar.
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HLP can never have to many people who can model and texture while simultaneously drinking copious amounts of alcohol and listening to Fire and the Flames :D
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I'm hoping to grow up to be Turambar.


Then you'll have to start enjoying Freespace & Freespace 2. :p
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Fem-Turambar will do that stuff for the Sims!
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I know a lot of people who aren't on any medications, actually. It's just me that's messed up, I guess.

The zoloft was actually helpful. The vyvanse as well. Trazodone, depakote, and benadril ain't done nothing but **** me up. >.<
See I'm of the opinion that sometimes the meds are there to compensate for something else that isn't right (diet, exercise, etc.) and once your on one set of meds then you need another to fix something else and its like a self perpetuating cycle.  Some people need something to keep them going one way or another...definitely not disputing that...but sometimes the solution, I think anyways (in my totally non educated in this field way), is in something thats simplier but requires personal commitment.

Exercise in any form solves all sorts of problems.  Most people don't get enough of it.  I don't either...but I am making a serious effort over the last several years to be active in whatever ways I find are entertaining.
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Yeeeah... most forms of physical exercise... I just don't like them. I have played loads of sports. I'm not in shape, but I'm not all fat and stuff. ^^;

I liked karate a lot, though. I just don't have much time for it right now.

But diet and exercise can't solve everything. The Vyvanse is amazing for helping me not get distracted while trying to read a friggin sentence. And the Zoloft made my mood swings way, way less severe. (Which, if I were bipolar, the opposite would be true, soo........)
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And the Zoloft made my mood swings way, way less severe. (Which, if I were bipolar, the opposite would be true, soo........)

Reasons why kids in high school should not think they know more about medications than trained professionals.

Zoloft is used in the treatment of depression.  Bipolar disorder is literally the swing between manic episodes (highs) and depressive episodes (lows).  Different people have different variations - some get defined manic episodes with little in the way of depression, some get primarily depressive episodes with a moderate-to-low manic phase.  The most common treatment for bipolar is mood stabilizers, designed to even out the transition so neither phase manifests as strongly, but in some people you only need to treat the manic phase or the depressive phase.  Hence why an anti-depressant like Zoloft can be used to treat some cases of bipolar disorder.

As for the diet/exercise thing, Bipolar (like more than a few mental illnesses) is a biological condition with genetic roots (Bipolar actually has a really high genetic correlation for any mental illness; a few studies I looked at two years ago were finding correlations as high as 80+%).  An imbalance created by gene dosage is not going to be corrected by eating better/differently or working out harder.

That folksy bull**** that people like Tom Cruise spout off about mental illness is exactly that - bull****.  There is a considerable body of science behind the biological roots of some forms of mental illness (most notably schizophrenia and bipolar disorder).  If any of you are interested in reading said science and have the background to understand it, I'd suggest doing queries of related journal articles through PubMed.
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Genetic factors play into it, but that's not nearly 100% why people develop either mental illness. Otherwise, most of the Amish community would be schizophrenic and/or bipolar (they have the genes for it, but don't develop it) and my brother wouldn't be schizophrenic.

Bipolar I requires at least one manic or mixed episode. Bipolar II requires at least one major depressive episode and one hypomanic episode. Cyclothemia requires hypomanic episodes and depressive episodes (not major depressive episodes).

Actual manic, hypomanic, and major depressive episodes (observance of the occurrence of which are how bipolar is diagnosed) have duration minimums of a few days to a few weeks, but they usually last months at a time.

Rapid cycling gets tacked on to any of the other three types if you get four episodes in a year.

Anti-depressants are almost never used alone in treating bipolar disorder because they are known not only to worsen the mood instability of people who are bipolar, but they are also known to cause manic and hypomanic episodes in people who *don't* have bipolar disorder.

While medication is necessary a lot of times in treating bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, it's not going to solve the whole problem. Medication is never 100% of the solution.

Final note: I actually look **** up before I say it, alright? Just because I'm 17 doesn't mean I get all my information from bad horror movies, tabloids, urban legends, and reality tv.
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And the Zoloft made my mood swings way, way less severe. (Which, if I were bipolar, the opposite would be true, soo........)

Reasons why kids in high school should not think they know more about medications than trained professionals.

Zoloft is used in the treatment of depression.  Bipolar disorder is literally the swing between manic episodes (highs) and depressive episodes (lows).  Different people have different variations - some get defined manic episodes with little in the way of depression, some get primarily depressive episodes with a moderate-to-low manic phase.  The most common treatment for bipolar is mood stabilizers, designed to even out the transition so neither phase manifests as strongly, but in some people you only need to treat the manic phase or the depressive phase.  Hence why an anti-depressant like Zoloft can be used to treat some cases of bipolar disorder.

As for the diet/exercise thing, Bipolar (like more than a few mental illnesses) is a biological condition with genetic roots (Bipolar actually has a really high genetic correlation for any mental illness; a few studies I looked at two years ago were finding correlations as high as 80+%).  An imbalance created by gene dosage is not going to be corrected by eating better/differently or working out harder.

That folksy bull**** that people like Tom Cruise spout off about mental illness is exactly that - bull****.  There is a considerable body of science behind the biological roots of some forms of mental illness (most notably schizophrenia and bipolar disorder).  If any of you are interested in reading said science and have the background to understand it, I'd suggest doing queries of related journal articles through PubMed.
I know a few people with bi-polar and I definitely don't have the mindset that diet and exercise will solve everything...don't worry.
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Offline General Battuta

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Her whole point is that bipolar is overdiagnosed, though. I don't think she buys the Tom Cruise bull****, but I think what she's saying is that a lot of moody teenagers are diagnosed as 'bipolar' when the real problems lie in hormones, sleep cycles, diet, exercise, and the social arena.

  

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Genetic factors play into it, but that's not nearly 100% why people develop either mental illness. Otherwise, most of the Amish community would be schizophrenic and/or bipolar (they have the genes for it, but don't develop it) and my brother wouldn't be schizophrenic.

I didn't say it was 100% of the reason.  I have degrees in Molecular Genetics and another in Sociology/Psychology - please don't try to lecture me.  Bipolar and schizophrenia are conditions relying on multiple loci (which haven't been mapped yet, for that matter) and are dosage-mediated, meaning there is no single genetic on/off switch.  The genetic profiles for those illnesses are also quite diverse.  The Amish don't have a higher rate of schizophrenia and bipolar than the general population - however, as the genes responsible for those two illnesses (and their various manifestations of severity) have not been identified, we have no way of knowing if the Amish have the genes for them or not.  Typically, bipolar and schizophrenia are partially a result of family dynamic as well (low-conflict versus high-conflcit, in the case of schizophrenia) so genetic predisposition doesn't always manifest either.  There are very complex mechanics behind the biological foundations of bipolar and schizophrenia which experts do not understand.  You statements about the Amish and your brother are good examples of why a little bit of information can occasionally do more harm than good because you don't understand the bigger picture and you're relying on a very simplistic interpretation in lay terms.

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Bipolar I requires at least one manic or mixed episode. Bipolar II requires at least one major depressive episode and one hypomanic episode. Cyclothemia requires hypomanic episodes and depressive episodes (not major depressive episodes).

Actual manic, hypomanic, and major depressive episodes (observance of the occurrence of which are how bipolar is diagnosed) have duration minimums of a few days to a few weeks, but they usually last months at a time.

Rapid cycling gets tacked on to any of the other three types if you get four episodes in a year.

I, too, have read the APA definitions of Bipolar and its variants.

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Anti-depressants are almost never used alone in treating bipolar disorder because they are known not only to worsen the mood instability of people who are bipolar, but they are also known to cause manic and hypomanic episodes in people who *don't* have bipolar disorder.

True, but you aren't on just an anti-depressant.  There are also limited cases where anti-depressants are used alone in treating certain cases of bipolar due to the mood levels experienced by the patient.  As I am not a psychologist and I haven't met you I cannot comment on your case specifically, but I'm slightly more inclined to think the doctor probably has a better grasp of what medication is better than his/her 17-year-old patient who has demonstrated a fairly simplistic understanding even in a short conversation on the Internet.

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While medication is necessary a lot of times in treating bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, it's not going to solve the whole problem. Medication is never 100% of the solution.

Never said it was.  The most common and most effective companion treatment is the family dynamic, meaning the entire family relying on each other and learning to help each other.  Which of course brings us full circle, because you've already stated that you are unwilling to consider the fact that your Mom could be right about you taking your medication and have your best interests at heart.

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Final note: I actually look **** up before I say it, alright? Just because I'm 17 doesn't mean I get all my information from bad horror movies, tabloids, urban legends, and reality tv.

Just because you can look things up doesn't mean you adequately understand them.  I have 7 years worth of education in this kind of stuff and I still don't grasp the full picture (nor does medical science as a whole actually), so I find it remarkable that you can look up basic information, most of which is probably FAQ-type presentations on advocacy or special interests websites, and think you "get it."

Look, like I said, I have an education that spans this field nicely, and I recognize that there are a lot of over-medicated kids out there whose problems are mainly uninterested family and over-eager doctors with a prescription pad.  But that said, the medical and psychiatric fields have come a long way in the diagnosis and treatment of severe mental illnesses and the quality of life for people with mental illness has never been better than it is today.  So, have the self-awareness to consider that you may be more than a little biased and perhaps you aren't seeing your situation quite as objectively as the family members and medical professionals whose role is ultimately to see that you have a better quality of life.

To me you seem like little more than a whiny, angsty, attention-needing dependent hormonal teenager - but I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist, nor do I know you personally.  So rather than take your word for it or your behaviour at face value, I'm considering the fact that I'm not hearing the entire story and perhaps you are receiving treatment for bipolar disorder for a legitimate reason.

EDIT:  And I apologize for breaking my vow of non-participation, but a response was pretty much required.
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Ryan, no offense, but as correct and well-informed as you are, if you present it like that it's not going to do much good.

 

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Ryan, no offense, but as correct and well-informed as you are, if you present it like that it's not going to do much good.

Exactly, if anything you're just going to piss her off x10


If you want someone to listen, you've got to present it in a way in which THEY like it, not in which you prove you are RIGHT and they are WRONG (not saying that you did, just providing an example)

 

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Ryan, no offense, but as correct and well-informed as you are, if you present it like that it's not going to do much good.

You're right and I apologize... rough day and I'm grumpy.  That said, maybe it's time someone told her to smarten up in blunt terms.  Who knows, maybe it'll get through where being nice didn't.
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This.

That's kind of what I was trying to say, but I don't know enough bout mental illnesses and such to post intelligently.
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Teenage years are often rough. 'Smartening up' happens naturally.

In the meantime, this should remain a thread for absurdity, not serious discussion.

iamzack, did your cruise conclude yet?