[Flaser]

Considering that you can already order AI to your wing, it may just be a slight tweaking of precedence needed.  Maybe Imps have a lower tendency to break and attack without orders.

That's exactly the wrong kind of behavior. What's needed is for the fighters to be aware of separation. Bracketing means putting half a click of separation between combatants. This forces the target to engage the formation one ship at a time. Meanwhile the separation allows the others to get in his rear, as he's no longer on a face-to-face heading.

Another thing that's badly needed is pointman-wingman mechanics. Namely, only the wingman should peel off to fend off attackers so the pointman can finish his attack run.

[CaptJosh]

Was the Avenger the funky looking one with the rectangular solar panels on it that had a chunk out of them like an interceptor that I remember seeing playing Rogue Squadron in the mission with the World Devastators?

[Turambar]

Was the Avenger the funky looking one with the rectangular solar panels on it that had a chunk out of them like an interceptor that I remember seeing playing Rogue Squadron in the mission with the World Devastators?

no, those were the TIE-Ds with droid pilots.

The Avenger is the line that Darth Vader's tie comes from, AKA the TIE X-1 Advanced.

[CaptJosh]

But Vader's craft didn't have any shields, or he wouldn't have been disabled by his wingman impacting with him in A New Hope. OTOH, it's clear that particular craft was a prototype, combining a standard TIE fighter with TIE Bomber solar panels, so...

[Something]

You'd still reel from the impact with shields up. He wasn't disabled, he was thrown out of control. By the time he recovered, obviously there was nothing he could do.

[CaptJosh]

Hrm. The Zhan trilogy books said that his fighter was disabled and he was picked up later nearly dead. Then again Mara Jade also said that was when he lost his right hand (Not from the impact or anything, but from the Emperor's displeasure), but that's been expressly contradicted on screen now. He lost his right hand in a fight with Dooku BEFORE he became Vader.

[Rand al Thor]

No it isn't; you just apparently don't know what you're doing.     You know what I take to fight TIE Defenders?  A B-wing.  Sure, it's slower and less maneuverable, but it's forward firepower will chew a Defender to shreds in the initial head-to-head, and the AI isn't smart enough to avoid charging straight down your guns no matter which one you use. 

RP putting a smiley face after an insult still makes it an insult. And clearly you didn't read anything I said.

I said when flying an X-Wing. I wasn't asking for what ship could beat a Tie-D, I was mentioning how it destroyed X-Wings. And to respond to your tactics, the B-Wing might well be sound advice, I'll have to take your word for it as I've not flown them much. However, while I can see it making things easier in a head on run, the Defender, on paper, will still win. It's got quad laser and ion versus the b-wings triple laser/ion and it's got equal shields. It also has close to 1.5 times the B-Wing's speed and that plus its hugh manouverability advantage means it'll run rings around the B-wing.

I dunno what difficulty level you play on but it sounds like easy. Granted, the AI never fires at MAX range but it's got precision accuracy (the kind that makes you think you're being cheated) on hard so even if you survive the head on run against one you'll be damaged enough to have no chance against the other two.

But anyways

Yeah I'd always wanted a X-Wing MK2 to combat the defenders. X-wings with the power-plants, shield generators, ion cannons and larger engines, from decommisioned Y-Wings. But then as you say, defenders are extremely rare so it was too much of an issue.

[chief1983]

I can safely say that not many people have flown anything that flies like the ships that will be in this game, so inferring characteristics of these ships from previous games isn't really constructive, especially not in this thread.  Use the afterburners thread for that kind of talk.

And just to pour fuel on the fire anyway, the B-Wing's single R-9X is designed to f*** up capital ships.  You don't want to be going head on against that thing, between the autoblasters and the ions, and that giant freaking laser cannon.  It's like the A-10's Vulcan, but slow.

[aRaven]

I can safely say that not many people have flown anything that flies like the ships that will be in this game, so inferring characteristics of these ships from previous games isn't really constructive, especially not in this thread.  Use the afterburners thread for that kind of talk.

yeah thanks for raping my thread for your flame wars

[IceFire]

Was the Avenger the funky looking one with the rectangular solar panels on it that had a chunk out of them like an interceptor that I remember seeing playing Rogue Squadron in the mission with the World Devastators?

no, those were the TIE-Ds with droid pilots.

The Avenger is the line that Darth Vader's tie comes from, AKA the TIE X-1 Advanced.

Isn't what he described this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/ad_starfighter

Thats the good ole TIE Advanced to me...although apparently its now TIE/ad or TIE Avenger.  So many names.

[StarSlayer]

No the fighter CaptJosh is describing is this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_automated_starfighter its an Imperial droid starfighter utilized by the forces of the cloned Emperor in the Dark Horse comics.  You had to fight them in the World Devastator mission in the first Rogue Squadron game.

[Renegade Paladin]

No it isn't; you just apparently don't know what you're doing.     You know what I take to fight TIE Defenders?  A B-wing.  Sure, it's slower and less maneuverable, but it's forward firepower will chew a Defender to shreds in the initial head-to-head, and the AI isn't smart enough to avoid charging straight down your guns no matter which one you use. 

RP putting a smiley face after an insult still makes it an insult. And clearly you didn't read anything I said.

I said when flying an X-Wing. I was asking for what ship could beat a Tie-D, I was mentioning how it destroyed X-Wings. And to respond to your tactics, the B-Wing might well be sound advice, I'll have to take your word for it as I've not flown them much. However, while I can see it making things easier in a head on run, the Defender, on paper, will still win. It's got quad laser and ion versus the b-wings triple laser/ion and it's got equal shields. It also has close to 1.5 times the B-Wing's speed and that plus its hugh manouverability advantage means it'll run rings around the B-wing.

I dunno what difficulty level you play on but it sounds like easy. Granted, the AI never fires at MAX range but it's got precision accuracy (the kind that makes you think you're being cheated) on hard so even if you survive the head on run against one you'll be damaged enough to have no chance against the other two.

An X-wing can also beat a TIE Defender; you just have to know all the ins and outs of it and fly like hell.  I have never had any trouble with the mission you name.  And I never play on Easy.  If you're flying anything other than a B-wing or Y-wing (both of which are considerably tougher than an X-wing or any TIE model, though the Y-wing has enough disadvantages for it to not really make a difference), just don't accept the head-to-head, because the Defender will win.  Spiral in until you're in the furball so that they don't get a kilometer of free shooting at you; you have a better chance that way if you're not in a bomber. 

Is it fast?  Sure it is.  The trick is that the X-Wing games, one and all, have a feature where your maneuverability is greatly increased at 1/3 throttle.  Judicious use of throttle controls lets you cut inside the Defender's turns and still stay right on its tail. 

Oh, and quad lasers and two ions is at a distinct disadvantage against three and three because it has half the fire rate when you link them all together.   

[CaptJosh]

Also, whoever uploaded that picture to the TIE Avenger page ****ed up. They uploaded a regular TIE Interceptor image.

[brandx0]

I'm glad to see that this thread has become a discussion about the game mechanics of the X-Wing series.  Please take it to a new thread

[TopAce]

Somehow, all FotG threads end up that way.

[IceFire]

No the fighter CaptJosh is describing is this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_automated_starfighter its an Imperial droid starfighter utilized by the forces of the cloned Emperor in the Dark Horse comics.  You had to fight them in the World Devastator mission in the first Rogue Squadron game.

Aha...wasn't too familiar with that model. I had heard about the droid TIE's ...but didn't know what their looks were.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Anyone who flies a Defender or an Avenger is a pansy anyway.

Real Imperial pilots fly basic Tie Fighters.
Though the Gunboat's not too bad. (The missile boat on the other hand is full-on gay)


If a person wants some extra TIE fighters, what about the funnies from Tie Fighter. Or was it X-Wing Alliance. I don't remember, but there was one with some funny TIEs like one was a Tie Interceptor with missile pods outside the wings. And another was like a single Solar panel with pods to either side, one of which held a big cannon of some sort. Those were suitably crappy.

[IceFire]

Anyone who flies a Defender or an Avenger is a pansy anyway.

Real Imperial pilots fly basic Tie Fighters.
Though the Gunboat's not too bad. (The missile boat on the other hand is full-on gay)


If a person wants some extra TIE fighters, what about the funnies from Tie Fighter. Or was it X-Wing Alliance. I don't remember, but there was one with some funny TIEs like one was a Tie Interceptor with missile pods outside the wings. And another was like a single Solar panel with pods to either side, one of which held a big cannon of some sort. Those were suitably crappy.

The Avenger I always considered to be the Imperial version of the X-Wing...a bit better yes but it was the first ship in TIE Fighter that could truly stand toe to toe with the Rebel fighters.  Enjoy your unshielded TIE Fighter while I protect my virtual life investment with some proper shielding

[Akalabeth Angel]

Anyone who flies a Defender or an Avenger is a pansy anyway.

Real Imperial pilots fly basic Tie Fighters.
Though the Gunboat's not too bad. (The missile boat on the other hand is full-on gay)

The Avenger I always considered to be the Imperial version of the X-Wing...a bit better yes but it was the first ship in TIE Fighter that could truly stand toe to toe with the Rebel fighters.  Enjoy your unshielded TIE Fighter while I protect my virtual life investment with some proper shielding

       I dunno, if you watch the movies the TIE Fighters give as good as they got it seems to me. At best it seems the shields allow the Rebs to take one or two extra hits before being blasted into pieces. With the exception of the Falcon of course which takes full on ISD blasts and keeps on trucking.

       The Avenger isn't _that_ pansy, but the Defender certainly is. When I finally got the Tie Collector's CD, I really tried to finish the game but it just got so stupid with the fancy ships. Last mission I gave up on was some "Missile Boat destroying an entire Rebel fleet" mission. Some people throw similar missions in their FS2 campaigns but I always find them pretty damn boring.

[IceFire]

Anyone who flies a Defender or an Avenger is a pansy anyway.

Real Imperial pilots fly basic Tie Fighters.
Though the Gunboat's not too bad. (The missile boat on the other hand is full-on gay)

The Avenger I always considered to be the Imperial version of the X-Wing...a bit better yes but it was the first ship in TIE Fighter that could truly stand toe to toe with the Rebel fighters.  Enjoy your unshielded TIE Fighter while I protect my virtual life investment with some proper shielding

       I dunno, if you watch the movies the TIE Fighters give as good as they got it seems to me. At best it seems the shields allow the Rebs to take one or two extra hits before being blasted into pieces. With the exception of the Falcon of course which takes full on ISD blasts and keeps on trucking.

       The Avenger isn't _that_ pansy, but the Defender certainly is. When I finally got the Tie Collector's CD, I really tried to finish the game but it just got so stupid with the fancy ships. Last mission I gave up on was some "Missile Boat destroying an entire Rebel fleet" mission. Some people throw similar missions in their FS2 campaigns but I always find them pretty damn boring.

The most interesting bits of the TIE Fighter campaigns for me were the TIE Advanced (Avenger/whatever you want to call it) and the Gunboat. The Missile Boat was pretty easy...the challenge in those missions was to hit the right targets otherwise friendlies would be lost pretty quickly.

In the movies there were lots and lots of TIE Fighters against seemingly far fewer Rebel fighters which is consistent with whats been said about the fighter over the years.  The idea is to build lots and lots of cheap throwaway star fighters and the TIE does a good job of being that.  Has the most minimal amounts of everything and gets away with it by being available in large numbers.