[Nico]

Originally posted by Ace Pace
its okey its A 8 KM ship and thats what writin.

ok, watch return of the jedi or empire strikes back, a compare the SSD with the ISD next to it. now come back and tell me if you found 8km. It's at least twice longer , like Shrike says.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
ok yes cortois ore can stop lightsabre but the vong dont know that - but other than the ore and other lightsabres and forcefields nothing stops lightsabre
[/i]

In THIS galaxy that would be true. Who knows WHAT a lightsaber would cut through in the Vong home galaxy. You have to keep that in mind, this enemy is 155% NOTHING like ANYthing dealt with before. Even the use of bioweaponry, yes the NR has seen that before,..but nowhere near the scale AND always......ALWAYS dealing with the biology of THEIR galaxy. How do you know the crab armor doesn't just happen to contain which ever exact element in Cortis ore that renders lightsabers ineffective?  

Originally posted by KillMeNow

as for the NJ fleet they could concentrate whats left into 2 or three fleets and stop with the defensive action thats no way to win a war they should use bold offensives and drive the vong from teh planets they ahve captured they need to get hte vong to protect there planets so diverting there fleet from offensive operations to defensive ones thus turning the tide of the battle

a purely defensive strategy only works when you have overwhelming technical superiority - and the attacks are just an inconvince until you swat them

they really need to learn from good old emperor palpatines book - those vong are lucky they didn't arive 30 years earlier

With WHAT would they attack ? The fleet's been nearly wiped out. Even most of the Hapan fleet was vaped by mistake. And you NEVER.........EVER go on an extreme offesnive without knowing you're enemy's strengths and weaknesses. Which they are JUST now learning.

Before everyone starts into the whole "OMG it's just wrong that the vong are just whipping NR butt the entire time waaa waa" keep something in mind. The Sith War started the same exact way, they pushed all the way to Corscuant in ONE offensive. The Empire nearly did the same to start. This is the first major war in the novels that wasn't completed in 3 books Besides the NR could have done better had they not first disbelived the Vong invasion was real, and then expected they could deal with them diplomactically. That's like thinking "Ohhh palpy isn't really evil, let's offer him a few planets and he'll stop with that."




And while i know this isn't FS2 related i'm really enjoying this thread, I've yet to miss a NJO book and it's nice to be able to get into a chat about it without ppl throwing up "No spoilers!!!!"  LOL

[Warlock]

Originally posted by venom2506


ok, watch return of the jedi or empire strikes back, a compare the SSD with the ISD next to it. now come back and tell me if you found 8km. It's at least twice longer , like Shrike says.

Actually the new RPG ships guide is more correct with stating a SSD to be 8 TIMES the length of an ISD. Which is more on par to the scenes in Empire and Jedi.

[Shrike]

And thus we get the 12.8km ISD, which is *closer* but really isn't much better than the 8km version.

The 17.6km version is the best value for the ISD.  If you want, I can link you to Curtis Saxon's site, it has a very in-depth look at the SSD size.

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by Shrike
And thus we get the 12.8km ISD, which is *closer* but really isn't much better than the 8km version.

The 17.6km version is the best value for the ISD.  If you want, I can link you to Curtis Saxon's site, it has a very in-depth look at the SSD size.

Whats the link?

[Shrike]

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/ssd.html

[KillMeNow]

ok the vong are from another galaxy not another universe so other than cortois ore and force feilds nothign stop lightsabres and if they had cortois ore in them then the lightsabre would sputter and die not jsut fail to cut it

and i dont care what you say they need ot go on the offensive - defensive strageys dont work work when fighting a war since its all on the enemys terms they choose when to engage and there not likely to do that unless they think they can win

and the defensive stragy being employed by the NR is failing hopelessly they need to try something ew  anything new while they still can

if need be and they cant find anything else they can go to center point fire that up and vape all the enemy systems in range then tow them damn thing to where its in range of some more

the galazy is slowly bieng lost they need to get off there moral asses and use superweapons

i mean we know the emperor always prepared for the worst surely he has one more stash of superweapons lying around somewhere

[Nico]

About the SSD size:

"
STAR WARS Exhibition
Several years ago many of the important props from the Lucasfilm Archives were put on public exhibition in San Francisco. According to Martyn Griffiths and Frank Bitterhof, many of the models were associated with in-house technical specification cards produced by ILM. The card relating to the Executor made an unambiguous statement that the vessel was eighteen kilometres long. The present fates of this card and others in its series are unknown to the general public
"

from the link Shrike posted.

I think that settles the question.

[Shrike]

See?  Told ya.

Pretty neat site, eh?

[Warlock]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
ok the vong are from another galaxy not another universe so other than cortois ore and force feilds nothign stop lightsabres and if they had cortois ore in them then the lightsabre would sputter and die not jsut fail to cut it

And all galaxies contain the exact some things why ?

How can you say the other galaxy doesn't contain things that sabers can't cut?

BTW you are wrong bout forcefeilds and cortis ore being the ONLY things. Mandalorian Iron is also at least highly resistant to lightsabers.

Never assume all the facts when you've barely got 10% Had the vong galaxy always been known then perhaps we'd have known more things sabers can't cut through.

[KillMeNow]

there are only so many elements in the universe ok if we went to the furthest reaches of our universe we would still find hydrogen in abundans we'd find the same metals and the same gases the same rocks the same elements

[Warlock]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
there are only so many elements in the universe ok if we went to the furthest reaches of our universe we would still find hydrogen in abundans we'd find the same metals and the same gases the same rocks the same elements

In theory. We've never studied anything outside of our galaxy. Besides we're talking  Star Wars Science...which is a tad different

[KillMeNow]

well spectrogracis readings on other galaxy tell us they are mande of teh same things and ithink the star war universe is pretty close to ours is supposed to be the same on - a long time ago in a galazy faf far away or something like isn't that how star wars started

[Warlock]

Yea but it didn't add "in the same universe"

Besides, force doesn't seem to exist in this other galaxy, so why can't it be true other elements exist? Some natuarually accuring in creatures? I mean those creatures ARE bred for armor.

And you also contradicted yourself. If SW was the same universe but as you say all galaxies have the same elements,....where's our cortis ore? Among many other things?

Course we can debate the science of this our whole lives and never prove each other wrong or prove ourselves correct

[KillMeNow]

cortois ore could exisit on this planet might jsut call it somethign else or it might be not naturtally occuring on earth so we would have to mix up the elements to produce it  but universe wide the same elements are pressent through out it

as for the armour being bred for it to have the power to shut downa  lightsabre it would need to eat cortis ore besides the lightsabre dont shut donw i have never heard of anything else that will stop them - sure blast doors it takes a while to burna  door into it but it penetrates instantly

anyway its just a story and while i consider the x-wing novels to be consistant with starwars universe of the written stuff isn't and the vong hit the non conisistant list if you ask me

and all this fussing over the light and dark side of the force then jedi while they didn't use the force to kill directly they did you it to kill indirectly adn they do attack when at war and stuff they jsut dont do unprovoked attacks - all this were are jedi all we can do is sit and debate the force is wrong the jedi were the protectors of the galactic republic and they dealt with the threats to the galaxy nonone else could deal - they didn't jsut sti there waiting

[Slasher]

I hafta agree with KillMeNow on at least one point.  Too much of the NJO books are spent depicting Jacen's moral dilemmas and his jubilent whining.  Here he, and apparently a number of other Jedi, are debating over what constitutes a justifiable defense while millions of innocents are thrown into the firey pits of insanity.  WTF?

When I read that one NJO book where Duros falls I wanted to feed Jacen to that big ugly green tentacle thingy in Half-Life.  He gave up the use of his force powers.  *rampant chicken noises*

Why oh why did these respected Star Wars authors turn the Jedi into a bunch of pompous political pussies (apology if this language isn't allowed; I haven't been here in ages)?  I don't think any of the books represented the "let's go get 'em" side of the Jedi enough; they all seemed to focus on Jacen's irrelevant and completely irresponsible pondering of inconsequential things.  I haven't been keeping up on these books, but I hear from this thread that Coruscant's fallen?  What in heck are these guys doing to the Star Wars universe?!?  Does Old Lucas even know what's going on?  It's as if he's off producing a frickin' movie or something...

The Babylon 5 universe was built for drastic, violent changes whose impact would resonate for years to come.  The fall of Narn, of Centuari Prime, the poisoning of Earth.  JMS wrote it to be that way.  But, in my opinion, the Stars Wars universe isn't up for that kind of literary abuse.  Yeah, it's nice that the good guys are getting their butts kicked for once, but NJO is taking it too far.  At the present rate, there won't be an SW universe around the next time an NJO book comes out.  Instead they'll have to rename it Vong Wars, complete with Episode IV, V, and VI.  All full length theatrical features, of course.

I only hope they kill off all the main characters we once knew and loved and put in new ones that are actually capable of shooting first and asking questions later.  Or simply kill off Star Wars and start the much anticipated Vong Wars.  You wanted fresh?  How about never having to hear the words "Imperial Star Destroyer" again?

The difficulties of portraying a cast of all Vong realistically, not to mention props that are supposed to be living, would be hard to overcome.  Maybe they'll do it like in that one X-Files epsidoe with the zombies; use Tofu and Tofurkey to simulate organic masses.  For those dreaded, lightsaber nylon protected amphistaffs they could use a long metal pipe with a dead cobra superglued around it.  To simulate those villips, LucasFilm could collect seashells, slather them with pudding and use a series of microfine, high powered fans that don't exist (YET!) to sculpt it into whatever form they wanted.  

Any other ideas for Vong Wars?

[Shrike]

Down with the Vong!

[Slasher]

With that kind of attitude, we'll never see Vong Wars!

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Slasher

The Babylon 5 universe was built for drastic, violent changes whose impact would resonate for years to come.  The fall of Narn, of Centuari Prime, the poisoning of Earth.  JMS wrote it to be that way.  But, in my opinion, the Stars Wars universe isn't up for that kind of literary abuse.  

OF COURSE the Star Wars universe is up for that kind of abuse.

The Prosecution presents People's Exhibit A, a theatrical release entitled 'The Phantom Menace', in which the creator rapes his own creation horribly. Admittedly, it wasn't a terrible film, but it is not up to the standards of films he made before, like 'The Empire Strikes Back'. Sorry, but Lucas is quite cognizant of what is going on in his Universe and does not care. How many times has he said that only the movies, his movies, are 'Star Wars'?

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Slasher
With that kind of attitude, we'll never see Vong Wars

Uhhh........good!