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Offline Agent_Koopa

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Scaremongering? How? You're launching the thing into space, aren't you? What's the worst that could happen?
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It blow up while still in the atmosphere creating a huge dirty bomb.  Fish become radio active, mutate, develop super intelligence,  and create weapons to enslave the human race. 
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oh.  :blah:
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Re: One step closer to the Space Elevator
Scaremongering? How? You're launching the thing into space, aren't you? What's the worst that could happen?


It was scaremongering to push their agenda. They want to make everyone afraid of anything remotely related to nuclear power. Not surprisingly greenpeace, the same group who said nuclear fusion is dangerous, was also in on the protesting. Facts mean nothing to those people.


In fact here is an except from a newsletter that was going around at the time, which has thankfully be archived on the net (the first sentence was from someone else contributing, the rest is about greenpeace. I included it to show the kind of scaremongering we're dealing with):

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Cassini is an unnecessary hazard and could even spark a war if it lands in the wrong place. American prestige will plummet if Cassini fails.

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GREENPEACE DIRECTORS APPEAL TO CLINTON TO POSTPONE CASSINI SPACE LAUNCH - URGE USE OF SOLAR TECHNOLOGY

Washington, October 10, 1997 (GP) - The Directors of Greenpeace International and Greenpeace USA have appealed to President Clinton to postpone the launch of the Cassini space probe to Saturn until NASA can implement a solar-powered alternative. Greenpeace considers the Cassini probe a grave threat to global health and the environment.

Cassini, scheduled to be launched by NASA on Monday, October 13, carries 72 pounds of plutonium in devices that generate electricity. Dispersal of the plutonium in the event of a launch pad accident or disintegration in the atmosphere could pose a grave health risk. Minute particles of plutonium are carcinogenic if inhaled and atmospheric disintegration could lead to exposure of this deadly material to the global population.

In the letter sent on October 8, Thilo Bode, Greenpeace International Executive Director and Kristen Engberg, Acting Executive Director of Greenpeace USA, appealed to Clinton to display global leadership by reconsidering the impact of plutonium dispersal beyond the US borders. The two directors further urged Clinton to direct NASA to develop solar-powered cells to replace the Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators (RTGs), which produce electricity based on the decay heat of the nuclear substance.

"A plutonium-fueled spacecraft not only creates a potential global hazard, but also sends the wrong signal regarding our energy and resource future," said the letter to President Clinton.

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"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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I laugh whenever I hear the term "dirty bomb".
As if that amount of radioactive material could pose any threat after being dispersed over such a huge area.
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Nothing says it has to be a huge area.  If it blows up seconds after lift off then the area would be a lot smaller.  Also it could just crack the containment vessel and dump the whole thing into one spot.  Elevator vs rocket for hazardous material.  Elevator wins hands down. 
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Offline Kosh

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Nothing says it has to be a huge area.  If it blows up seconds after lift off then the area would be a lot smaller.  Also it could just crack the containment vessel and dump the whole thing into one spot.


We've actually had RTGs burn up in the atmosphere and we've had them fall back to earth......no one was ever hurt and there was no ecological damage.
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Still tell me you don't think the elevator is safer for something like this.  I'm not against putting it up there at all it's just common sense not to pack it on top of a big bomb. 
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the elevator would require a huge counter mass in orbit. you could inadvertently pull it out of the sky and slam it into the ground. should the cable snap near the top, im sure the effects of it falling to earth wont be pretty either.

72 pounds of plutonium, considering how heavy the stuff is that cant be that much. and how do we know that natural space debrits doesnt contain any plutonium. how many tonnes of that enter the atmosphere daily.

i do like this lofstrom loop concept. but its kinda hard to get your head around.
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Re: One step closer to the Space Elevator
Still tell me you don't think the elevator is safer for something like this.  I'm not against putting it up there at all it's just common sense not to pack it on top of a big bomb. 


What are you going to use to power the elevator with then? It still needs large amounts of reliable electricity to operate.

Besides, an RTG would not be used for this since they don't put out that much power. It was just an example of the kind of hysteria and scare mongering that surrounds anything related to nuclear.
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