[Turambar]

In related news, Goku could totally beat up Superman.

[NGTM-1R]

In related news, Goku could totally beat up Superman.

Poor fool. Superman is Strong As He Needs To Be, and therefore his strength rises to be just enough to defeat his opponent after a suitably long enough fight.

[High Max]

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[karajorma]

Bad news people: according to the "Apocalypse", only 144000 people will be saved. I think that all places are taken by the Saints and the Martyrs so there's no hope, no hope at all 

And they're all Jews too.

Bad luck Christians.

[Pred the Penguin]

The past version of Superman was overpowered but the newer Superman versions reduced his power. The older version (maybe the 1960's version "golden era it might have been called") was actually strong enough to move a planet, for example, and was a super genius too and maybe psychic. They had to reduce his power to make it so the villians could stand a chance.

That's stupid, why didn't they just make super-villains.

[Charismatic]

Dont derail topic.

Can someone quote that 144000 people thing from the bible for me? the whole passage

[Turambar]

Dont derail topic.

Can someone quote that 144000 people thing from the bible for me? the whole passage

It isn't derailing, I was just hoping you guys would realize you've gone to a classic 'my overly detailed fiction is better than your overly detailed fiction and here are several reasons why' format :-P

[Pred the Penguin]

Dont derail topic.

Can someone quote that 144000 people thing from the bible for me? the whole passage

This thread stopped being on topic after first 2 pages or so. o_o

[karajorma]

Can someone quote that 144000 people thing from the bible for me? the whole passage

Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Bad luck to those of you who are married too apparently.

[Mobius]

Revelation 7:4
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

I know that part. The numbers have a symbolic meaning.

12,000 people for each tribe and, since there are 12 tribes, 12,000*12=144,000.

BSG-ish?

[Scotty]

Wrong way.  BSG is Bible~ish.

[Charismatic]

Ah, now i understand the superman refrence. Yes yes ill get back to my mega quoting soon. IIRC i didnt see too much to quote to sence the last one. But its coming.

[maje]

Bad news people: according to the "Apocalypse", only 144000 people will be saved. I think that all places are taken by the Saints and the Martyrs so there's no hope, no hope at all 

And they're all Jews too.

Bad luck Christians.

You do realize that you're screwed as well, right? 

In related news, Goku could totally beat up Superman.

Ah, I see now, you're still at the level where God can only be interpreted as Santa Claus in white robes.  If my interpretation was limited to this, I'd probably be an atheist as well.  No wonder Moses was pissed when he came down from Mount Sinai and found that the Israelites were worshipping a golden calf.  If one attempts to limit God to a physical object, such as the calf, and expect it to fulfill their every need, then they will be severely disappointed.  Why? Because such a thing can be easily destroyed or corrupted.  By smashing the calf, Moses proved how wrong they were.  After all, if the calf was God, then surely it would not allow itself to be destroyed, but alas, the idol was destroyed.

Remember Exodus 20:4-5 "You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or worship them.  For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; but bestowing mercy down to the thousandth generation, on the children of those who love me and keep my commandments."

That actually is the first of the Ten Commandments listed in the Bible.

Now, you must understand, that much of the Old Testament descriptions of God are metaphorical and not literal in terms of the how we define things in the physical world.  Such as with examples of God walking beside Cain asking him of his brother Abel.  It's not like some human or alien called "God" was literally walking besides Cain asking him questions, the same way you would interact with another person.  It is simply a personification.  When I read the passage in Genesis, I interpreted it more as Cain's conscience had finally caught up with him and he could bear the guilt of murdering Abel no longer.  True, he did deny his knowledge initially, but eventually he had to face what he had done.  It has been said that a person's conscience is often referred to as the "Voice" of God.

[karajorma]

Bad news people: according to the "Apocalypse", only 144000 people will be saved. I think that all places are taken by the Saints and the Martyrs so there's no hope, no hope at all 

And they're all Jews too.

Bad luck Christians.

You do realize that you're screwed as well, right? 

I don't believe that any of the story is true in the first place. So I'm no more screwed by the bible saying that than I would be if it didn't. It's those who actually believe it is the literal word of God who are screwed since either they must admit that they aren't getting into heaven or that they're wrong about it not being symbolic.

[High Max]

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[Krelus]

What I can't understand is, if an "infidel" who practices the "wrong" religion is going to hell, why bother even killing him? He's going to get "what's coming to him" eventually.

(To clear something up, I'm not an Atheist. I have no problem with religion, and I've seen it do a lot of good although I myself am not pious in any sense of the word. As with anything, it's problematic when taken too far.)

[Zacam]

I'll have to buy me some of that salt. For the next time I barbeque a rack of lamb.

[maje]

careful High Max, Atheists are no less judgemental in their beliefs than the religious people.  I would dare say that this has more to do with a flaw of human nature.  Even if you stripped out religion, people would still go to war over something else.  As depressing a thought as it may be, the only way I can think of to realistically eliminate war permanetly is to eliminate the species.

[High Max]

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[TrashMan]

It is impossible to be any more close minded than a religious super fanatic and they say that to a Christian fanatic, there is no such thing as a Christian fanatic.

That is debatable. I met quite a few atheistic people that were as close-minded and fanatical as the worst religious fanatics. As I said before - morons come in all shapes and sizes, religions or lack thereoff.