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Offline Snail

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2012: the day oil runs out. God, what have you idiot's done?!?

(Seriously, I bet that's what happens. Maybe like those retarded Arabs will nuke eachother, thus ruining the oil fields you depend on)
You know what I think happens on 2012?

NOTHING

 
Wait, yes, something does happen. I turn 16  :drevil:
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Offline Snail

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How nice.

 

Offline castor

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I wouldn't call it doom anyway. Its rather about transforming our way of living into something sustainable - a trick that has never been done before, nobody knows how to do it. Until now, every crisis, be it a minor or a major one, has been just a small speed bump on the road based on the idea of growth, the idea of using more, spending more, owning more, consuming more..

 

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Offline Liberator

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Dec 21, 2012 is the day "They" come back.  The aliens that gave the Maya, and probably several other ancient peoples, they're advanced mathematics and building techniques.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Snail

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Dec 21, 2012 is the day "They" come back.  The aliens that gave the Maya, and probably several other ancient peoples, they're advanced mathematics and building techniques.
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Offline The E

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Dec 21, 2012 is the day "They" come back.  The aliens that gave the Maya, and probably several other ancient peoples, they're advanced mathematics and building techniques.

I sure hope you aren't serious about this....

And seriously, what "advanced building techniques"? Like pyramids are that hard to figure out....Just because the people back then actually did figure out a thing or two about math and architecture doesn't mean that Aliens had anything to do with it. Human ingenuity is vastly underrated.
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Offline StarSlayer

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Dec 21, 2012 is the day "They" come back.  The aliens that gave the Maya, and probably several other ancient peoples, they're advanced mathematics and building techniques.

Didn't Star Gate already cover this?
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Offline Flipside

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A pyrmamid is the tallest structure made of square blocks that will stay upright using basic tools, they aren't really all that advanced mathematically or even architecturally, as I've said before, a pile of rocks, but with style. The amazing part of that was the fact that Egypt was able to get the manpower and organisation to construct them, not the manner of their construction.

The thing that made Egypt so powerful wasn't maths or architecture, it was the first civilisation to come up with the idea of fields and farming on any large scale. That meant the Egypt could produce enough food to keep armies in the field longer, and to feed massive work-gangs.

Many theorise that one of the reasons Egyptians built pyramids was because for about 2/3 of the year, when the Inundation was low, the farmers had nothing really to do, so to prevent the usual problems associated with a bored populace, they started these massive engineering projects to keep them busy.

  

Offline Liberator

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While I will agree that our ingenuity is underrated.

We are talking about people one step up from the Stone Age developing advanced Geometric principles and measurement technologies that would serve no practical purpose for Copper/Bronze Age man at the time.  And while the pyramids could conceiveably been constructed by vast armies of slaves over the course of decades.  

There are other Megaliths, particularly in Latin and South America,  that beggar description as to how they were build, simply because the landscape they are in, isn't straight and flat like Egypt.  With stones so large, in such arrangement, that WE couldn't construct them, much less a Copper/Bronze Age man, no matter how bright and ingenious they were.

I only hope they're returning to celebrate the success of they're assistance and not to end a failed experiment.
So as through a glass, and darkly
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Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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Offline The E

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Cap'n! Daniken at 3 o'clock! One should never, ever underestimate what people can achieve, using nothing but simple tools, loads and loads of manpower, and religious motivation. Oh, and "With stones so large, in such arrangement, that WE couldn't construct them"? [citation needed]

Furthermore, what makes you think that, even if such an alien culture existed back then, they still exist today?
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We are talking about people one step up from the Stone Age developing advanced Geometric principles and measurement technologies that would serve no practical purpose for Copper/Bronze Age man at the time.  And while the pyramids could conceiveably been constructed by vast armies of slaves over the course of decades.

I have to disagree with you, curiosity mixed with a variety of uses (farming, astronomy linked with religion, engineering, etc...) is what made people develop geometry in those days.

Furthermore, the pyramids were constructed by free workers, not slaves.

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There are other Megaliths, particularly in Latin and South America,  that beggar description as to how they were build, simply because the landscape they are in, isn't straight and flat like Egypt.  With stones so large, in such arrangement, that WE couldn't construct them, much less a Copper/Bronze Age man, no matter how bright and ingenious they were.

Sources please.
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Offline Liberator

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Well, the general consensus is that once a civilization reaches Type 2 status(the level at which they might start engineering other life forms in other star systems), said civilization would be a stable enough and widespread enough that a "local" disaster like a supernova or black hole formation while a major disaster, would be like a flood or Cat 5 hurricane, something regional to be dealt with and then avoided/forgotten.

For Reference, Modern Man is Type 0, though some would assign a 0.5 or 0.75 rating, and the Federation from Star Trek is a middle grade type 1.  The Old Republic is a high grade Type 2.  The Ancients from Star Gate, before they're ascension, would be a Type 3.

By Type X, I mean on the Kardashev scale, which used to be 5 generals types I thought.  Anyway, said scale measures a civilization 's technological prowess and development based on they're energy usage on a species level.

As far as sources, there is a megalith, I think in central Mexico that is what I am thinking of, but the name eludes me atm.  It might be in South America somewhere.  I recall that it is very near another site that is mostly intact and is a tourist attraction, whose name also eludes me atm.  Don't get old, the memory is the first thing to go. :blah:


So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

Offline Falcon

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Dec 21, 2012 is the day "They" come back.  The aliens that gave the Maya, and probably several other ancient peoples, they're advanced mathematics and building techniques.

Dec 21 2012 is the day HE comes not THEY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXvHe5r2LQ


Hide your tacos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q0OQ6tlhQw

 

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Unless something has really changed about LIb, he is really having a good time getting you all to get your panties in a knot and post in his thread.  :p
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Offline The E

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As we have limited experience with star-spanning cultures, I'd say that the general consensus could best be described as "sure, why not?". Oh, and we are still waiting for those "impossible" structures.
And then there's the implicit assumption that
 - FTL travel is possible
 - Sufficiently advanced Aliens exist
 - Those Aliens actually care about us enough to tinker with our cultural evolution
 - Those Aliens actually care about us enough to actually remember us
 - The Maya had some insight that other cultures lack
 - The Maya calendar cutting off meaning something

Here, let me save you some of that bothersome research:

Quote from: wikipedia
The forecast is based primarily on a claimed end-date of the 5,125-year Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, which is December 21, 2012 -- even though this was not in fact seen by the Maya themselves either as its duration or as its end-date, let alone as a doomsday one

Please, read the Article, and tell me how wrong it is.

Unless something has really changed about LIb, he is really having a good time getting you all to get your panties in a knot and post in his thread.  :p

Maybe, but flamewars are fun!
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Offline Warlock

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Meh IF they were a serious problem with the oil fields wed just finally say screw it and open drilling in National Reserves instead of endlessly debating it.

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Offline Liberator

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Unless something has really changed about LIb, he is really having a good time getting you all to get your panties in a knot and post in his thread.  :p
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So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

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Maybe, but flamewars are fun!

LOL!!

Sorry, but you ain't seen nothing.  :D :p

You should have been around for the good ol'e days.
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