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Offline Liberator

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #80 on: April 13, 2009, 09:09:07 pm
The main part of the economy is Small Business.  The guy that owns one or two shops.

This car thing is just to pay back UAW for it's years of mindless support.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #81 on: April 13, 2009, 09:21:03 pm
Didn't car workers take big pay cuts before on the promise they could get health care later?

To me that sounds like a big business boo boo.
 

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #82 on: April 13, 2009, 09:24:03 pm
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No, but I believe it was divinely inspired.  Seriously people read the thing.  Sad to say I haven't read the whole thing recently myself.  Anything from outside the original document and the amendments is supposed to be out of bounds and handled by the states on an individual basis


If it was "divinely inspired" it would be unchangable, which is false. Like the Magna Carta it can be changed.

This really reminds me of the absurd "the US was founded on christian values" crap.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Reply #83 on: April 13, 2009, 09:57:34 pm
It was founded on Judeo-Christian values, Western Civilization largely is, whether you want to recognize it or not.  This is opposed to be founded with Islamic or Wiccan or whatever the hell else you might choose to use.

The founding fathers were not atheists or humanists.  They went to church and prayed regularly.  Our founding documents invoke God in several places.  To say that they would try to found a country without consulting the Almightly is mildly fallacious and slightly absurd.

So you can take that little, weak attempt to rewrite history and shove up your afterburner.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #84 on: April 13, 2009, 10:06:19 pm
"Mais est-ce qu'il ne vient jamais à l'idée de ces gens-là que je peux être 'artificiel' par nature?"  --Maurice Ravel
 

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Reply #85 on: April 13, 2009, 10:27:09 pm
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It was founded on Judeo-Christian values,


Freedom of religion, speech, and justice for all are not christian values at all, those were ancient Athenian values. If you want to see a country that actually was founded on Christian values, check out France under the bourbon monarchy.

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Our founding documents invoke God in several places.

Like where? I don't recall God being invoked anywhere in the constitution.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Kosh

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Reply #86 on: April 13, 2009, 10:30:13 pm
Let's look at some quotes from our founding fathers:

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Shake off all fears of servile prejudices, under which weak mines are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson

The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

-George Washington

The Christian God is a being of terrific character- cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust

-Thomas Jefferson

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone upon man

-Thomas Jefferson

During fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been it its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolences in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution

-James Madison

Lighthouses are more useful than churches

-Benjamin Franklin

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it

-John Adams

As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how it has happened that millions of fables, tales, legends have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed

-John Adams

In case you forgot Washington, Adams, and Jefferson were the first three presidents and helped write the constitution, along with franklin.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #87 on: April 13, 2009, 10:31:57 pm
Kosh, the Hell is with the spaces?  :ick:

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Like where? I don't recall God being invoked anywhere in the constitution.

The Declaration of Independence.
 

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Reply #88 on: April 13, 2009, 10:37:38 pm
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The Declaration of Independence.

Which is not the constitution, and was written 12 years before the constitution.

Even so, under what context was it written in? Care to provide a quote?
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Liberator

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Reply #89 on: April 13, 2009, 10:54:35 pm
I suggest you read the Federalist Papers.  They are very enlightening to understand the minds of the Founders.  I bought my dad the unabridged collection, it's a book about 1200 pages long.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline Kosh

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #90 on: April 13, 2009, 10:55:37 pm
I'll take this one step farther. If the founding fathers were "deeply religious" then why did Jefferson re-write the bible to remove miracles and claims of divinity?



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I suggest you read the Federalist Papers.  They are very enlightening to understand the minds of the Founders.  I bought my dad the unabridged collection, it's a book about 1200 pages long.

So instead of providing evidence you tell me to read a book that would require months to finish?


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Let's look at a quote from one of the writers of the Federalist papers, James Madison:

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We hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, that religion, or the duty we owe our Creator and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence. The religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right.


Now, Christianity has a long history of being hugely intolerant towards anyone who didn't agree with it, or even its interpretation of the bible to the point of slaughtering people. So to say that anyone can believe anything they want really was very un-christian like.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2009, 11:13:39 pm by Kosh »
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Liberator

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Reply #91 on: April 13, 2009, 11:09:10 pm
Yes, because you will need months of proof before you change your mind, which is good and bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Federalist-Papers-Alexander-Hamilton/dp/1596052473/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239682083&sr=1-2

Is nice and cheap too.  It'll help you understand where your country came from and what it's based on.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline Blue Lion

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Re: Only 53%
Reply #92 on: April 13, 2009, 11:15:14 pm
Quote from: Liberator on April 13, 2009, 11:09:10 pm
Yes, because you will need months of proof before you change your mind, which is good and bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Federalist-Papers-Alexander-Hamilton/dp/1596052473/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239682083&sr=1-2

Is nice and cheap too.  It'll help you understand where your country came from and what it's based on.

I've read them and I still think you're wrong.
 

Offline Kosh

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Reply #93 on: April 13, 2009, 11:25:19 pm
Quote from: Blue Lion on April 13, 2009, 11:15:14 pm
Quote from: Liberator on April 13, 2009, 11:09:10 pm
Yes, because you will need months of proof before you change your mind, which is good and bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Federalist-Papers-Alexander-Hamilton/dp/1596052473/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239682083&sr=1-2

Is nice and cheap too.  It'll help you understand where your country came from and what it's based on.

I've read them and I still think you're wrong.

Well Lib, what do you say about that?
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Blue Lion

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Reply #94 on: April 13, 2009, 11:35:36 pm
Kosh has provided quotes and the best response is "Go read 1200 pages and come back to me when you find my point"

Somehow I don't think that's gonna fly.
 

Offline Liberator

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Reply #95 on: April 13, 2009, 11:43:25 pm
What would you like me to say?  That he's a moron or an idiot who can't read 3 sentences without getting a headache?

You don't want to have your mind changed about this, because if it did, it might mean you have to change it about other less comfortable things.  That's all, you've built your life around the concept that there is nothing higher than yourself, without leaving even the possibility otherwise.  That's incredibly small and I'm sorry you don't have that in your life.  Regardless, nothing has been accomplished in this thread either way.

Kinda sad really.  Buncha 20 somethings think they know how the world works.  Just give it sometime, the Real World will come bite you on the ass and you might just see I was a little more correct than you thought I was.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline General Battuta

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Reply #96 on: April 13, 2009, 11:50:45 pm
Apparently this is how Lib gets when he gets owned.

A lot of the Founding Fathers were actually Deists, who aren't really Christians -- rather scientific about their religion, really.

It appears the Founding Fathers were even less big on Christianity than I thought. Interesting.
 

Offline Liberator

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Reply #97 on: April 13, 2009, 11:52:37 pm
Quote from: General Battuta on April 13, 2009, 11:50:45 pm
Apparently this is how Lib gets when he gets owned.

Not really, just tired of arguing with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.  BTW, it was never a competition, so how would I get "owned" exactly?
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
 

Offline General Battuta

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Reply #98 on: April 13, 2009, 11:53:57 pm
Well, you want everybody to read the Federalist Papers, written about 50% 30% by one James Madison. Who apparently said...

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During fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been it its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolences in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution

Very Deist.

Hamilton, on the other hand, was very pro-Christianity:
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I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man.

So you've already got your religious diversity right there.
 

Offline Liberator

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Reply #99 on: April 13, 2009, 11:55:46 pm
Not denying anything he said.  But those are failings of man, not God.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

There are only 10 types of people in the world , those that understand binary and those that don't.
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