[Blue Lion]

... and more importantly, how can we "fix" it.

 

BL: massive stupidity problem

That I have one? Or everyone has one?

[peterv]

It's not personal, it's about societies 

[Blue Lion]

Can society be stupid? 

[peterv]

It can become stupid ( Europe after WW1, France before the revolution, Russia before and after the revolution,   ancient Rome,  ancient Greece etc. etc.)

[Blue Lion]

But I mean what are you comparing it against?

[peterv]

If you're talking about the modern societies, i cant compare it with any for two reasons:

Factors are deferent and it's very early to do so.

[Blue Lion]

I mean even old societies.

How do you label a society stupid?

[peterv]

Sort answer: Read history.

When ethics are falling, societies are falling. Falling of ethics is stupid.

[Blue Lion]

Sort answer: Read history.

When ethics are falling, societies are falling. Falling of ethics is stupid.

You're talking to a history teacher.

You make it sound like a society of a bunch of guys walking into walls and drowning in their drinks.

[peterv]

Do i?

As a history teacher i assume that you know a John Maynard Keynes guy , don't you? The one that was used  as an advisor for the rebuilding of the post war Europe?

[Blue Lion]

Was that just a yes or no question or were you going somewhere with it?

[peterv]

I'm going right here: As you probably know, this guy was an advisor for both the periods after WW1 and WW2.
In the first case he was ignored. Germany was humiliated in the worst and unjustified way, Hitler came to power and the result was WW2. Keyenes had predicted all this, but he was ignored by the European morons. The idiotic European societies of the time had no problem with turning Germany to a cheap hore. (You'll figure that out by studying the moral before WW1).
It took the destruction of Europe and the loss of Britain's empire for Keynes to be herd, from a wiser winer this time.

[Blue Lion]

You're judging an entire continent's intelligence because leaders ignored the warnings of a person only after looking back we can decide was probably right?

[peterv]

Not only leaders, societies as well, this is very criticall.

And yes BL, because only afterwards we can decide if behavior is stupid or not (you can call it wrong or wright, i don't care to argue about it).

And it is a matter off ethics in the end because that's what history teach us (me at least), that when you behave to people as if they were animals, they'll become animals in the end and the price will be high.

EDIT: AND STOP DISTRUCTING ME WITH THE HOTTIES THREAD 

[Turambar]

And yes BL, because only afterwards we can decide if behavior is stupid or not (you can call it wrong or wright, i don't care to argue about it).

I can tell when iamzack is going to do stupid stuff all the time.  Prevention is another issue altogether.

[Blue Lion]

Not only leaders, societies as well, this is very criticall.

And yes BL, because only afterwards we can decide if behavior is stupid or not (you can call it wrong or wright, i don't care to argue about it).

And it is a matter off ethics in the end because that's what history teach us (me at least), that when you behave to people as if they were animals, they'll become animals in the end and the price will be high.

EDIT: AND STOP DISTRUCTING ME WITH THE HOTTIES THREAD 

So the societies knew and consciously ignored this person? What happens in 200 years from now we figure out something else and this guy looks like a moron?

[iamzack]

And yes BL, because only afterwards we can decide if behavior is stupid or not (you can call it wrong or wright, i don't care to argue about it).

I can tell when iamzack is going to do stupid stuff all the time.  Prevention is another issue altogether.

I hate you.

Also, who the eff cares about assigning meaningless and subjective labels to periods of history? Geez.

[Scotty]

..... You can comment on the topic, but why do you always try to turn this into a "the U.S. is too free" kind of argument?

[TrashMan]

1. Culture infulences the develpoment of people, especially young people
2. Not all cultures are equal

Ergo, it stands to reason that young people won't behave the same in different cultures.

It also stands to reason that some ways of bringing up kids are better than others.

If your kids are showing less and less respect, are becoming more spoiled and agressive or downright emo - then buddy, you got problems. Or should I say, your culture has problems.

[NGTM-1R]

While Max is pulling a delightfully inane Persecuted Hegemon on us, you're just talking out of your rear end. You have neither ancedotal experience nor statistics.