[butter_pat_head]

(delurking)

I just got back from watching the film and I can say that 3 different types of people will emerge from the cinema:

1.  Those who have never (or hardly) watched Trek before, they will have enjoyed themselves,
2.  Those who know Trek quite well and could nitpick the film to death, but still enjoyed it cause they new to switch their brains off just after sitting down.

and 3.  NERD RAGE!!!!!11

TBH I'm borderline 3.  It was worth the £6.odd I paid to see the film, but not the price they'll ask for the DVD/BD once they release it.

Theres a decent amount of humour in there, but most of the time I guess the reason I got it was because of my Trek knowledge.  I don't know why they didn't use the Enterprise design they had for the 2008 promo shots (you know the ones I mean).  The Vulcanoids

Spoiler:

get to re assert their physical superiority over humans

,   Simon Pegg

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Throws the entire Trek rulebook on beaming out of the window, while still managing to squeeze off nearly every one of Scotty's classic lines

and warp drive is now

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Star Wars hyperdrive but with a cannon shot SFX instead

which wasn't bad but why not have the twinkle?

The music?  Too much of it if you ask me.  Should have gotten Horner to do it (I didn't stay to watch the credits so for all I know he probably did).  Some nice nods to music from TOS but that main theme......

Oh, and all you hard-line number 3s out there, don't worry about the film effecting the official continuity, cause

Spoiler:

They pretty much dismiss the entire film as a alternate dimension anyway, so that means that to beam at warp BOTH ships have to be going the same speed and be at nominal distances from eachother.

But just a reminder, It's still a decent film, if you remember to put your brain into neutral for the duration.

I'm off to re-subscribe to alt.startrek and watch the fireworks fly...
(relurking)

[Snail]

Simon Pegg is in the film. Which means it's cool.

[Nuke]

i find her posts rather amusing. i think shatner would agree.

i tell you this much, the first mother****er who posts a spoiler without spoiler tags will get monkeyed/post deleted/thread lockage.

and for good measure

Back to the topic.

[Demitri]

I just got back from watching the film and I can say that 3 different types of people will emerge from the cinema:

1.  Those who have never (or hardly) watched Trek before, they will have enjoyed themselves,
2.  Those who know Trek quite well and could nitpick the film to death, but still enjoyed it cause they new to switch their brains off just after sitting down.

and 3.  NERD RAGE!!!!!11

Went to see the film today and would classify myself by above criteria as a 2. Definitely enjoyable, but trek fan boys will no doubt be unimpressed!

[Unknown Target]

I'm a huge fanboy and I loved it. They made a bunch of in jokes and yet still kept the movie fresh and exciting, and different in a good way. Thoroughly enjoyable.

[Turambar]

I am with UT, it was a fun movie and the guy they got to be Bones did a perfect job, the plot does make some sense (it didnt hurt my brain, and i was sober) and the use of technobabble as a plot device (as annoyed butter) is excuseable, since it's Star Trek and that's what it's ****ing for dammit.  They even had Kirk acting like Shatner at the very end, it was entertaining.

[Ace]

They made an... entertaining Star Trek movie?

That... that... means that Gene Roddenberry is spinning in his grave!

Simon Pegg was a little too over the top in some bits.

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However the worst travesty in the film is that the poor Orion cadet was probably killed in that fleet. 

- Saving you from the Wrath of Nuke

[Nemesis6]

Is Star Trek the one with the big glowy circle thing?

[Dilmah G]

LOL!

[Charismatic]

Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never, EVER, be grateful for anything that you do.

Couldn't be more true.

Incidently, why not buy a Zero Punctuation t-shirt?

I like the "Press X to not die" one, personally.

I watched it twice to find the 'press x to not die' refrecne and didnt see it.
But yeah the vid was funny.

Kudos on the gissing gif.

And awesome link to the summary of all St movies. I liked it and it was accurate.

[übermetroid]

Saw it, like it, can't wait to see more.

Actually, I am now thinking how the future events will play out.  Whale probe, Khan, ect....

[Goober5000]

Thread split.

Well, I just got back from the movie and I am torn.  It was fun to watch, and there were many moments that I enjoyed, but I basically feel betrayed as a fan.  They basically shredded the existing continuity and then crapped all over it.  And the worst thing is that they can't pass it off as a harmless alternate timeline, because they present it as the actual timeline produced as a direct result of events in the timeline we knew up until now.

The Good:

Spoiler:

1) The characterization was excellent.  I thought the new cast members did a good job of reinterpreting the roles from the original actors without coming across as knockoffs.
2) The special effects.  Nuff said.
3) That Orion redhead.
4) Shout-outs to things that fans will pick up on.  Admiral Archer & his beagle, Archer-era uniforms on the Kelvin, Morn, fencing, Spock on Romulus, all the classic McCoy & Scotty lines, Pike & the wheelchair, and more that I probably forgot.
5) Leonard Nimoy.

The Bad:

Spoiler:

1) They destroyed Vulcan?  W.T.F.  First of all, six billion people is the single worst Star Trek death toll ever.  Star Trek is not Star Wars; people are not statistics; they're supposed to mean something.  And they never stopped the action to consider the ramifications of such an act.  With a minor detour for some Spock-angst, they kept right on going.
2) Continuity.  Shout-outs (see #4 above) are not a substitute for actual coherence.  A timeline change was a terribly bad idea in retrospect; they should have kept the general outlines and gone with a reinterpretation, not an outright rewrite.  They completely threw out any post-Academy pre-Enterprise story for Kirk, including some major character-building events on other ships.  How on earth does Captain Pike justify a field promotion from cadet to first officer?  How does Starfleet justify an official promotion from cadet to captain?  How does the movie justify hand-waving a bunch of cadets straight to bridge officers?  How are Kirk, McCoy, Uhura, and Sulu all in the same class at Starfleet Academy?  This film took way too many shortcuts.
3) Nero.  Second-worst Star Trek movie villain ever, above only Shinzon.  He was a one-dimensional "my planet was blown up by natural forces, so I'll blow up yours" plot token.
4) Too much action at the expense of plot.  Action is definitely a plus (see especially First Contact) but shouldn't detract from character development or story development.
5) The music.  Thoroughly unmemorable; I can't recall any of the newly composed stuff, which is a first for any Star Trek movie for me.

Ugh.  Just writing that makes me angry.  I think I might detox tomorrow by watching Wrath of Khan.

[Ashrak]

i found it brilliant, now they can make a new series aswell since the old timeline nolonger matters w00t w00t

[blackhole]

There is no way in hell the fans would have been able to like this movie. Because they are fans.

IMO from the trailers I've seen and the positive reviews, its a movie I might actually go to the theater to watch. Those space battle scene clips were like orgasm injected directly into the brain.

[Scotty]

Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never, EVER, be grateful for anything that you do.

[Turambar]

There is no way in hell the fans would have been able to like this movie. Because they are fans.

IMO from the trailers I've seen and the positive reviews, its a movie I might actually go to the theater to watch. Those space battle scene clips were like orgasm injected directly into the brain.

i am a fan, and i like the movie.  theory destroyed.

[The E]

i am a fan, and i like the movie.  theory destroyed.

+1 that statement.

Although I agree with Goober's second point about the utter strangeness of Starfleet personnel decisions, the film as a whole worked and was totally satisfying. (seeing Phasers used defensively? Awesome. Sulu? Awesomer.)

[Unknown Target]

Yea, Goob I'm going to have to disagree with you - I didn't find the alternate timeline to be that taxing on my fan nerves. That, and the movie creators have repeatedly said that the two universes exist in parallel, this one simply "split off" from the main one.

Also, you know what I'm really happy about? They got rid of/lessened the role of "phaser beams". The hand-held phasers, while they look like TOS movie phasers, fire bolts, as do the cannons on the starships; it's a much more thrilling visual effect, and unless they were used like beam cannons a la Freespace, phaser beams were always pretty hokey and nerdy IMO.

[an0n]

It is ****ing awful on every level.

And not even just for Trek fans.

It is unremittingly ****ing horrible in every regard. Be it having Nokia product placement slammed into your face 12 minutes in, the constant lens flares on every-****ing-thing, the ****ty dialogue, the complete inability to create characters anyone gives a **** about, destroying what should be deeply emotional scenes with ****ty music and piss-poor execution, the fact that no shot is filmed more than 2ft from any character's face, the need to switch to a shot of a spaceship every 30 seconds, the fact that every single shot (without exception) is a rainbow of glossy colours and pretty lights, the complete lack of any true violence, Uhura being the most prominent female with a whole 5 minutes of screen time, Nero's lameass and poorly constructed motivations and horrifically simplistic backstory... It's just awful.

I hate this move almost as much as King Arthur, King Kong and Episode 3.

And the **** on the ice planet...? Hell, why not just give him a ****ing Tauntaun and have him kill the big Yeti creature with his lightsabre?

Speaking of which, when the bigger alien comes along and eats the Yeti thing - what possible ****ing reason could they have had for thinking that the best creature design for an alien on an ice planet would be based around lizards and spiders? C'z as you're all aware, those creatures do amazing in cold environments.

The entire film is just an unrelenting onslaught of cheap, tacky bull**** and fancy effects.

You remember Superman Returns and how ****ty that turned out to be? It's that. They might as well have cast Brandon Routh as Kirk and let him rape another movie franchise into the ground.

And if you're a fan, it's worse than if you're just a regular moviegoer. Because they've clearly packed in just enough to pretend like they know what the **** was going on in the franchise prior to this reboot, and they've pandered to you just enough to gain the support of the fanbois as they girlishly scream at every backreference to classic Trek - but then they go right the **** ahead and kill the entire spirit of everything that went before.

You wanna start fresh - then start fresh. Don't start fresh and then pansy the **** out and take just enough backsteps to whore to the old fanbase for the sake of marketing and box office figures.

It's just another in a long line of movies made purely for profit and to whore out old ideas to new idiots with sparkly CGI and and overly pretty (98% male) cast.

I'd rather take a rake to the face than watch that **** again.

[BloodEagle]

It is ****ing awful on every level.

And not even just for Trek fans.

It is unremittingly ****ing horrible in every regard. Be it having Nokia product placement slammed into your face 12 minutes in, the constant lens flares on every-****ing-thing, the ****ty dialogue, the complete inability to create characters anyone gives a **** about, destroying what should be deeply emotional scenes with ****ty music and piss-poor execution, the fact that no shot is filmed more than 2ft from any character's face, the need to switch to a shot of a spaceship every 30 seconds, the fact that every single shot (without exception) is a rainbow of glossy colours and pretty lights, the complete lack of any true violence, Uhura being the most prominent female with a whole 5 minutes of screen time, Nero's lameass and poorly constructed motivations and horrifically simplistic backstory... It's just awful.

I hate this move almost as much as King Arthur, King Kong and Episode 3.

And the **** on the ice planet...? Hell, why not just give him a ****ing Tauntaun and have him kill the big Yeti creature with his lightsabre?

Speaking of which, when the bigger alien comes along and eats the Yeti thing - what possible ****ing reason could they have had for thinking that the best creature design for an alien on an ice planet would be based around lizards and spiders? C'z as you're all aware, those creatures do amazing in cold environments.

The entire film is just an unrelenting onslaught of cheap, tacky bull**** and fancy effects.

You remember Superman Returns and how ****ty that turned out to be? It's that. They might as well have cast Brandon Routh as Kirk and let him rape another movie franchise into the ground.

And if you're a fan, it's worse than if you're just a regular moviegoer. Because they've clearly packed in just enough to pretend like they know what the **** was going on in the franchise prior to this reboot, and they've pandered to you just enough to gain the support of the fanbois as they girlishly scream at every backreference to classic Trek - but then they go right the **** ahead and kill the entire spirit of everything that went before.

You wanna start fresh - then start fresh. Don't start fresh and then pansy the **** out and take just enough backsteps to whore to the old fanbase for the sake of marketing and box office figures.

It's just another in a long line of movies made purely for profit and to whore out old ideas to new idiots with sparkly CGI and and overly pretty (98% male) cast.

I'd rather take a rake to the face than watch that **** again.

I approve this message. For whatever that's worth.