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You know scientific probability says that ice should not float.  But it does and if it did not float your basis for live couldn't survive.  Probability of a molecular compound like water forming in the universe is around 1:1,000,000,000 which is alot smaller chance than winning the lottery.  Life's probability is infintecimal which means it cannot be calculated.

Not making a point, but pointing it out.


Heh, yeah. Water is certainly... an interesting compound. When you cool it, after a certain point. it begins to get larger instead of bigger. And so ice's density is lower than water's... if there was an ice age, the ice would have floated and insulated the water below. If it had sunk, it would let the water above freeze too, everything would get colder, until we lived on an inhospitable (well, inhospitable by human standards) planet. :)
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I can correlate a lot of the things you say here. You really do think very closely along the lines that I do. Except, it seems, we were born in different environments; funny that we two should find each other like this.


It's nice to know that there is someone who thinks similarly. :) (despite us reaching different conclusions) Great minds think alike, as the saying goes. ;)

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I guess I cannot argue that any of your points are wrong. To do so is similar to arguing with the existence of the fabric of space... if you prove it wrong, then you prove your very existence wrong. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? It gets so fine that it almost becomes trivial. All I can relate to you is my life experience and that through Christianity, through having a personal relationship with Jesus, I now am certain that I will be going to Heaven; my future is sealed.


I guess we all find happiness in our own way. ;)

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Hah! What's funny, is that I have many Indian friends myself, and when they describe what it's like to return to their homeland, they all say the same thing - there's absolutely nothing to do. They all just seemed to sit around in the heat and either breathe, think and read. But eventually they run out of books, so it just turns into breathing and thinking.


LOL, it seems that they had the same experience as I always do there; breathing and thinking is about all there is to. :p The last time I went there it wasn't as bad since my dad brought his laptop along - I spent most of the time playing whatever games worked on that :D - but it was still pretty boring, as there was no 3D card and FS2 therefore wouldn't work on it. So it still turned into a lot of breathing and thinking. ;) (and swatting mosquitoes, which are all over the place :p)

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You know scientific probability says that ice should not float. But it does and if it did not float your basis for live couldn't survive. Probability of a molecular compound like water forming in the universe is around 1:1,000,000,000 which is alot smaller chance than winning the lottery. Life's probability is infintecimal which means it cannot be calculated.


Actually ice floats because of its higher surface area and tensile strength. (although as Setekh said, water is a fairly unusual compound ;)) The probability of a molecular compund (actually a compound other than hydrogen or helium, which are very common) forming in space is very small, but the thing is that the particles came into contact with each other so many times, that the vastness of that number cancelled out the small probability and made the amount of matter fairly abundant. The same can be said for the creation of intelligent life; the probability is very small (but still finite, because if it was infinitely small it would equal zero according to math), but the procedure was carried out so many times by the interactions of particles that it resulted in the forming of at least one species of intelligent life. ;)

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So, do you think Jesus, as a person - son of Joseph and Mary - existed, physically?


Sure, I am pretty certain that there was a man named Jesus Christ around that time. He was probably the creator of the religion and had a large following that lasted after his death; anything that fits in with current scientific facts is easy to accept for me. ;)

 

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LOL, it seems that they had the same experience as I always do there; breathing and thinking is about all there is to. :p The last time I went there it wasn't as bad since my dad brought his laptop along - I spent most of the time playing whatever games worked on that :D - but it was still pretty boring, as there was no 3D card and FS2 therefore wouldn't work on it. So it still turned into a lot of breathing and thinking. ;) (and swatting mosquitoes, which are all over the place :p)


Ah yes! The mosquitoes. :D I have this story of how I got the FS2 demo to work without 3D acceleration; just a Pentium II and some crazy stuff. It came out at something like 1/2FPS; but hey, it was FREESPACE 2!! ;)


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Sure, I am pretty certain that there was a man named Jesus Christ around that time. He was probably the creator of the religion and had a large following that lasted after his death; anything that fits in with current scientific facts is easy to accept for me. ;)


Okay, then. Do you believe that what is recorded in the Bible as what Jesus said, He actually said? Do you believe that He said those things? :) (I'm getting somewhere - have patience with me ;))
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You guys should really read through Encarta 2002. They tracked all the religious crap (technical term) back to it's roots. In ancient Israelite religion (the 'One God' religion) that's all there was. One huge, omnipotent god and some evil force. When they started butchering all the 'savages' they decided to incorporate parts of the conquered religions into their beleifs and the polytheist views of religions such as Hindu, were incorporated under the One God as angels and demons and such. It's all quite fascinating really and it serves to illustrate how people 'reworked' the word of the One God to improve their relations with conquered peoples.

Homo Superior. Hmmm. So many ways to interpret that.
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Ah yes! The mosquitoes. :D I have this story of how I got the FS2 demo to work without 3D acceleration; just a Pentium II and some crazy stuff. It came out at something like 1/2FPS; but hey, it was FREESPACE 2!!;)


That sounds pretty neat; I'm ready to play at 1 or 2 fps if it means FS2... ;):D

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Okay, then. Do you believe that what is recorded in the Bible as what Jesus said, He actually said? Do you believe that He said those things? :) (I'm getting somewhere - have patience with me ;))


Most of that was probably true; I bet some things were exaggerated and some extra stuff was added in, but there was really nothing to gain by putting in things that were completely false. ;)

 

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Now, if the Dalai Lama and Gandhi turned away from God - that is, chose to rule their own lives, and not submit themselves to God, who is Sovereign (ie. supreme ruler), then they too are sinners. They will suffer the same fate that all other sinners will.


You're searching pbs with christianism? here's one: God is quite unfair, isn't he?

I think pretty much like CP on this particular subject, tho I tend to avoid discussing such a matter in a publmic chat, due to the various beliefs of peoples around.
Here's some questions I could never find an answer to (tho I never really searched): how is it possible to discrimininze one religion in favour of another? Why didn't God show up before the Jews ( or someone else, forgive my lack of knowlegde on this matter), when mankind already existed for a long time? Did God thought humans were worthless before? So did all the people from back then were condemned to hell, no even having the knowledge that God exists?
Pardon my opinion, but in the christian religion, I see only things that would frighten me if I had the faith. All our actions are kindda worthless, if everything you need to do is just to believe in Jesus and God.

Mmh, but I guess actually all that could have been answered if I had read the bible through ( I stoppped after the 37th "and God saw that it was good" ).

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The existance of God is extremely easy to prove by logic:

If the universe is infinite, anything, even the most unprobable things, exist. Therefore, God exists. ;)
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The existance of God is extremely easy to prove by logic:

If the universe is infinite, anything, even the most unprobable things, exist. Therefore, God exists. ;)


correction: anything can exist as long as it applies to the laws of physics or whatever: I bet thetre's no 12 legged pink and purple chickens everywhere, :ha:
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correction: anything can exist as long as it applies to the laws of physics or whatever: I bet thetre's no 12 legged pink and purple chickens everywhere, :ha:


No, the 12 legged pink and purple chickens are not everywhere - but they're out there somewhere, you just never saw them! :D:ha:
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I meant anywhere, damn i keep doing typos :p
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If the universe is infinite then at some point, the laws of physics change.
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You're searching pbs with christianism? here's one: God is quite unfair, isn't he?

I think pretty much like CP on this particular subject, tho I tend to avoid discussing such a matter in a publmic chat, due to the various beliefs of peoples around.
Here's some questions I could never find an answer to (tho I never really searched): how is it possible to discrimininze one religion in favour of another? Why didn't God show up before the Jews ( or someone else, forgive my lack of knowlegde on this matter), when mankind already existed for a long time? Did God thought humans were worthless before? So did all the people from back then were condemned to hell, no even having the knowledge that God exists?
Pardon my opinion, but in the christian religion, I see only things that would frighten me if I had the faith. All our actions are kindda worthless, if everything you need to do is just to believe in Jesus and God.

Mmh, but I guess actually all that could have been answered if I had read the bible through ( I stoppped after the 37th "and God saw that it was good" ).

:rolleyes:   I think I'm worthless in this kind of discussions actually


There is something in there about ingnorance, mostly applies to children tho, but I bet it applies to those who lived their entire life without ever hearing of God as well.

I think wasn't Abraham that was the first monotheisist man?  Don't remember.
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I meant anywhere, damn i keep doing typos :p


Yeah, typos that manage to completely change the meaning of the sentence. :D
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I think pretty much like CP on this particular subject, tho I tend to avoid discussing such a matter in a publmic chat, due to the various beliefs of peoples around.
Here's some questions I could never find an answer to (tho I never really searched): how is it possible to discrimininze one religion in favour of another? Why didn't God show up before the Jews ( or someone else, forgive my lack of knowlegde on this matter), when mankind already existed for a long time? Did God thought humans were worthless before? So did all the people from back then were condemned to hell, no even having the knowledge that God exists?
Pardon my opinion, but in the christian religion, I see only things that would frighten me if I had the faith. All our actions are kindda worthless, if everything you need to do is just to believe in Jesus and God.



Venom got some of the points there; every religion I have seen has these weird quirks in it that are completely unexplainable. I tried to explain the weird things in Hinduism, but came to the conclusion that they are only what people use in place of what they do not understand, rather than trying to actually explain the things, and therefore, by the rules of logic, should be discarded.

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The existance of God is extremely easy to prove by logic:

If the universe is infinite, anything, even the most unprobable things, exist. Therefore, God exists. ;)


Yes, but there are an infinite number of things as well. Like I said earlier, try applying mathematics to logic: infinite quantities can be compared with other infinite quantities, and finite ones with other finite ones. You just cannot mix them together. ;)

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If the universe is infinite then at some point, the laws of physics change.


They probably do, based on the general relativity theory and the standard model of the universe. ;)

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No, the 12 legged pink and purple chickens are not everywhere - but they're out there somewhere, you just never saw them!


As I said earlier; no possibility can be completely ruled out, but things should be kept as simple as possible for deduction purposes. This includes assuming things that have not been observed or have no effect on our lives to not exist. ;)

 

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As I said earlier; no possibility can be completely ruled out, but things should be kept as simple as possible for deduction purposes. This includes assuming things that have not been observed or have no effect on our lives to not exist. ;)


And that's the biggest flaw I see in your logic pattern. Assuming that a thing does not exist is surely the easiest path, but in an universe that is, for all we know, infinite, it's most certainly the wrong path. ;)

Ah, and you can compare finite and infinite values, you just have to use certain... tricks. :D
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Yes, as I said, it could well be "wrong," but should be assumed to be true (again, apply math here ;)) because the other direction leads to a dead-end and we cannot progress from that point on at all. (this is a basic axiom of logic) If we have to take things into account that do not have any effect on our universe, anything could exist and there is no point in trying to figure stuff out, so we should head in the other direction for now.

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Ah, and you can compare finite and infinite values, you just have to use certain... tricks. :D


This I must see... :D Try the following:

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å sin( p x ) cos( p x )
x->1

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Yes, as I said, it could well be "wrong," but should be assumed to be true (again, apply math here ;)) because the other direction leads to a dead-end and we cannot progress from that point on at all. (this is a basic axiom of logic) If we have to take things into account that do not have any effect on our universe, anything could exist and there is no point in trying to figure stuff out, so we should head in the other direction for now.


But the discussion about the existance of a God or supreme being is not something related to your frame of reference alone, it's related to the universe as a whole - therefore, you must take in consideration anything that's possible in the universe. It escapes the standard for logic problems. ;)
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This I must see... :D Try the following:

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x->1

:D [/B][/quote]

And what does the sin and cos of X have to do with anything?
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And what does the sin and cos of X have to do with anything?


Absolutely nothing... :D :p
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