[High Max]

;-)

[colecampbell666]

I don't post in many topics so your little comment is extremely exaggerated and false.

I can count about 8-10 derailed topics in the past month.

I don't care at all.

Then don't post.

I just can't help but say that I think it is silly and pointless to always make the same damn topic and it gets quite boring too.

Then don't post.

It never goes anywhere.

Then ignore it. Don't post.

How easily entertained you are.

Oh I know. Did you not read how the first 10 posts were devoted to not giving several ****s?

[General Battuta]

High Max, if you don't have anything  to add to the thread, just ignore it.

[Jeff Vader]

Use some logic.

You too. If you don't enjoy these threads, feel free to not read them / post in them.

[Mobius]

High Max, if you don't have anything  to add to the thread, just ignore it.

He does have a point, though... there are many threads that end with the same speculations about the Shivans...

[General Battuta]

If that speculation ever stops it means that new people have stopped entering the Freespace community and the existing members have lost interest in the questions. It is normal and healthy.

Moreover, the correct response to threads that you feel are meaningless is to disregard them.

[Blue Lion]

Both off topic and on topic....

Why do people care when others discuss a topic that will never really have an answer? 10 years past the release of the game, what answers really haven't been given?

Is it really that bad to let people speculate on silly sidetrack topics?

But on topic!

I always thought of the Shivans as being very animalistic (weird, I know). They attacked merely because we were in the way. They didn't think about resources or future advancement. They saw another species and tried to kill it.

[Snail]

I always thought of the Shivans as being very animalistic (weird, I know). They attacked merely because we were in the way. They didn't think about resources or future advancement. They saw another species and tried to kill it.

I always believed the opposite. I viewed the Shivans as scheming strategists rather than mindless animals. I found the way that they seemed to actually have some kind of incomprehensible logic behind their apparently mindless slaughter very intriguing.

[Mobius]

People think they're the classic bunch of mindless sheep because they blow up so easily during the game. In the universe, however, they're far deadlier... the Manticore that shot down that unlucky Hercules in the intro came out with very good maneuvers.

They would think the same of the Terrans or Vasudans if the series was played from the point of view of the Shivans.

[Snail]

It's all in the execution of the plot itself, really. In FS1 they're portrayed as a slightly more intelligent enemy, and in some cases they seem to be fallible like any other species (For example, they didn't know where Sol was and had to find the Terran homeworld by a lengthy process of elimination).

I think the fact that they're actually thinking and strategizing, but aren't communicating and kill without question makes them far more scary than the more common mindless space bugs.

In FS2 they seem more like the horde of mindless space spiders IMO.

[General Battuta]

People think they're the classic bunch of mindless sheep because they blow up so easily during the game. In the universe, however, they're far deadlier... the Manticore that shot down that unlucky Hercules in the intro came out with very good maneuvers.

They would think the same of the Terrans or Vasudans if the series was played from the point of view of the Shivans.

Who are 'people'?

Who are 'they'?

[Snail]

Ugh. Split/lock please?

[Jeff Vader]

Too tricky. There are on-topic, sort-of-on-topic and off-topic posts all mixed up. Can't be arsed. Would rather go to sleep.

* Jeff Vader's good friend Big Dick slaps all the participants of this thread around a bit with a large... well, you know.

One more off-topic post and there will be lockage.

[Blue Lion]

Animals can still use strategy.

I was kinda leaning on the whole "we're gonna come and kill you and your entire species"

They don't appear to be concerned with holding planets or resources.

[Rhymes]

In FS2 they seem more like the horde of mindless space spiders IMO.

Funny, I never got the feeling that they were mindless, but maybe you got that feeling because the Shivans didn't get as far into GTVA space as they did the first time.

I felt more like they were actually sending a message instead of just trying to destroy.  The fleet of Sathanes and the supernova were sort of like saying (at least to me) "Don't **** with us, because we WILL kick your ass."

But that's just me.

[William Wolfen]

Funny, I never got the feeling that they were mindless, but maybe you got that feeling because the Shivans didn't get as far into GTVA space as they did the first time.

I felt more like they were actually sending a message instead of just trying to destroy.  The fleet of Sathanes and the supernova were sort of like saying (at least to me) "Don't **** with us, because we WILL kick your ass."

But that's just me.

After having played Blue Planet, I feel that this sort of portrayal is very good.  I rather liked the Shivans as the great cosmic destroyers, who tend to go a little overboard on protecting the balance in the Universe.  I would go into more detail, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for anybody who hasnt yet played Blue Planet.  For those who have, I'm sure that what I've said will make plenty of sense, including the tie in between the quoted post and how they handled the Terrans and Vasudans in FS1 and FS2.

[Mobius]

They don't appear to be concerned with holding planets or resources.

A well organized expeditionary force doesn't have to do that. Keep in mind that we don't know anything about the Shivans' endurance.

The Taranis had to resupply after who knows how many sorties.

[High Max]

;-)

[Killer Whale]

The shivans have a randomiser which spits out all sorts of purposes at the click of a giant claw lever with white space swords and a particular beam cannon. The first was "Kill their homeworlds and them while your at it", the second was "supernova their homeworld". Who knows maybe next time it will be "Land on all their ships and kill em' all" or "have a friendly BBQ with free food that has been superheated and turned to plasma"

"Can someone pass me a hotdog please"

[Blue Lion]

They don't appear to be concerned with holding planets or resources.

A well organized expeditionary force doesn't have to do that. Keep in mind that we don't know anything about the Shivans' endurance.

The Taranis had to resupply after who knows how many sorties.

Even the second invasion didn't seem interested in it.