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Offline Dark RevenantX

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Yes, but GTX has 900MB per core, and each core is the equivalent of a GTX275.

What argument were you trying to make?   :confused:

 

Offline Stealth

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Just put a fan controller on it. It increases performance.
i'm not as gullible as 'office-space' type employees ;)

 

Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Yes, but GTX has 900MB per core, and each core is the equivalent of a GTX275.

What argument were you trying to make?   :confused:
I'm trying to explain why the 295 is better in terms of raw power (although I'd never buy one even with the money).

It has two functioning cores for decoding video/rendering/whatever, while the 285 only has one core for doing all of this plus slightly more memory. The 295, as you probably know, is two 275s in SLI.
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Offline Dark RevenantX

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
GTX 285 in tri-sli destroys the GTX 295 in quad-sli, so...

 

Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Really?
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Offline Spicious

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
just purchased my hard drive:
Patriot Warp Solid State Drive - 128GB, 2.5", SATA II
Bad.

 

Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
How do you know what he paid for it?
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Offline Stealth

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
just purchased my hard drive:
Patriot Warp Solid State Drive - 128GB, 2.5", SATA II
Bad.

makes 0 sense.  two things that link you posted prove:
a) SSD beats every other hard drive type in the world hands down, no matter how many you RAID together
b) the hard drive i purchased isn't even in the comparison list on your site :/

the patriot warp isn't as quick as the X-25, sure, but i got it for free, and it's a lot faster than any SATA/SCSI/SAS, etc. out there, sooooo that works for me! ;)

 

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
There is a problem with SSD's that use JMicron's controller IIRC.

EDIT:
Here is more info on the subject.
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Offline Zantor

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
the GeForce GTX 285 is a good choice, made by EVGA, BFG, XFX, or someone really good. 2GB per card is a little excessive; heck IMO Crysis's graphics are excessive, but that's me. Why SLI, though? A GeForce GTX of any model can pack more punch alone than 2 or 3 8800s. I wouldn't recommend a resolution higher than 1920x1200 myself, but that's me.

Are you getting a quad-core or dual-core processor? If you're going to be all hardcore with an upgrade, get an Intel Core 2 Quad QX6800. To my knowledge this is the fastest and most expensive consumer processor available today. If AMD, get the best quad Phenom available to go in a board with an nVidia chipset.

For hard drives, SSD or magnetic-mechanical is your choice. If you get magnetic storage, get a Western Digital Raptor X or Caviar RE; the RE model is enterprise grade and so they are higher endurance and have a 5-year warranty unlike the SE. I would only get an SSD from Intel, WD, OCZ, or Corsair, but no one else; these companies are the top manufacturers in storage media (except for intel who does semiconductor electronics). These will offer you the best longevity, endurance, service, and performance than most other brands. I have a WD Caviar RE drive and I haven't run into anything more reliable. Use or don't use RAID at your discretion.

For RAM, you can go two ways, budget or hardcore expensive. Get Corsair ValueSelect if you don't want to break the bank; sometimes I find it's cheaper than Kingston and just as good. If you're going all hardcore like I think you are, get OCZ or Corsair RAM, NOTHING ELSE. OCZ is top in the market and yet very expensive, very reliable and VERY fast. Depending on the board you are getting, get the fastest possible with an in-between timing set. IIRC DDR3 doesn't go slower than CL5 and so if you get 6 to 9 you should be all right; the fastest speed DDR3 is available in now is 1600 MHz; that's 400 MHz x 4. If you bus speed is not 1600 MHz, do not get 1600/1666 MHz RAM. Rather, get a chip that runs at 1333 and RAM that runs at 1333 so you have a 1:1 ratio FSB to RAM. This will provide you with superb performance.

As for a motherboard, get one with the best nVidia chipset possible. I've been out of the loop on nVidia's chipsets; I believe the 700 series is the newest. At any rate, get the best chipset possible and a board that has all the features you want.

For audio, get a Sound Blaster X-Fi. I myself do not use integrated sound unless it's absolutely necessary (like in a laptop). I have used Creative sound cards for the last 10 years and they have not failed to disappoint me in their superior performance compared to other sound cards and integrated sound devices. Hardware buffers are louder, and though minutely faster any offloading you can do with sound will help your framerate.

I hope this info is of assistance and if I've stated most of what you know, oh well. In that case, I'm merely supporting or reinforcing your choices.
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Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
The QX6800 was the top of the line CPU... in 2007.

The Caviar designations RE and SE are no more, there's Green (low-power), Blue (standard) and Black (performance). The VelociRaptor is the new Raptor.
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Offline Zantor

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
I'm a little behind the times. I'd have to do some research to find the latest and greatest of 09.
"We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate." --Thomas Jefferson

"If the American people ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." --Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." --Thomas Jefferson

"Determine never to be idle...It is wonderful how much may be done if we are always doing." --Thomas Jefferson

 

Offline Spicious

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
makes 0 sense.  two things that link you posted prove:
a) SSD beats every other hard drive type in the world hands down, no matter how many you RAID together
b) the hard drive i purchased isn't even in the comparison list on your site :/

the patriot warp isn't as quick as the X-25, sure, but i got it for free, and it's a lot faster than any SATA/SCSI/SAS, etc. out there, sooooo that works for me! ;)
Only if you ignore random writes. This page illustrates the problem a lot better. Incidentally, it's probably using a SATA connection.

 

Offline Stealth

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 motherboard with an i7 920 processor, planning on OCing it to 3.6ghz, which seems to be do-able.

sorry, but i can't justify spending over $1000 on a processor.

As it is this whole thing is starting to wear on me.  i'm thinking about building 'reasonable' instead of 'insane'... as in, building a computer that will be top of the line, no doubt, but not the-most-expensive-of-everything.  i'm considering it. we'll see how i feel tomorrow morning :/

 

Offline Fury

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
I've learned that going for high-mid range hardware is always more cost effective in the long run then going low-end, low-mid range or high-end range.

For example, when a CPU or video card that belongs to high-mid range (such as C2Q 9400 and Radeon 4890 right now) can no longer play games adequately, chances are that the high-end hardware of same generation can't either. Being reasonable with hardware choices saves lot of money in the long run. With the money you save on high-end hardware you can use to upgrade years later. Not to mention that hardware warranty is limited and dying CPU or video card will cost far less if you didn't buy that top of the line cash burner.

As for SSD's, they aren't cost effective or mature enough in my books. In a year or two they may have cost effective prices and their problems have been solved. If you get one for free or at significantly reduced price, then go for it. Otherwise get Western Digital Black instead.

 

Offline colecampbell666

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Are you talking about the QX6800 as a 1000$ CPU? That's nearly 3 years old! Go with an i7 920 or 950, 270$ or 540$, depending on what you want to spend.
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Offline Stealth

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
Are you talking about the QX6800 as a 1000$ CPU? That's nearly 3 years old! Go with an i7 920 or 950, 270$ or 540$, depending on what you want to spend.
i'm talking about the i7 965

 

Offline JGZinv

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I have a GTX 275, it's more than enough.
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Offline Ghostavo

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
I have a GTX 275, it's more than enough.
Crysis is less than it's cracked up to be.

He wants to play at 2560x1600. It's not more than enough, it's not even in the ball park of enough. It's so far from enough that you'd cry.
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Offline CP5670

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Re: Building a computer - yes, better than yours :)
I doubt any current hardware can consistently get 60fps throughout the entire game even at 1920x1200. The overall game performance is worse than reviews would have you think, since the framerate falls sharply during heavy fights and the performance is also considerably lower in the last quarter of the game.

I have a single 280 (670mhz) and played most of the game at 1280x960 without AA with a custom high/very high configuration, but went down to 1024x768 for the last few levels, and even then the framerates fell into the low 30s during big fights.

I liked the game itself a lot despite the poor performance. Although it's not worth buying expensive hardware just for that one game.