[TESLA]

it needed hobbits 

[Kosh]

On a related note, Tranformers 2 FAQ

Could you sum up the film in one line of its dialogue?
"I am standing directly beneath the enemy's scrotum."

Yeah, that and the leg humping scene I really wish they didn't do.

They were trying to revive Optimus in the first place, all they had to do was go to his carcase and jam the thing.

Also maybe because it wasn't enough given the extent of the damage.

He could just kill the humans, it's not like he has to abide by some honor code. Also, if the Primes were defeated, what exactly is he staying hidden from?

The other Autobots probably.

They were breeding an army up there.

I certainly got the impression they were trying to, but didn't it say by the time the movie started that they didn't have enough energon left for them to operational, which is why they needed the Cube. The autobots probably wanted it for similair reasons, as well as to rebuild their ruined homeworld. Funny how even in racial twilight they still keep fighting, not that the decepticons want peace.


It still doesn't explain where the Cube is really from, or maybe I missed something.

[JGZinv]

Watch the first movie again, it says they know not from where it came.
But it gave life to their world.

IE - it was put there, or it crashed there, zapped the tar out of a metallic rock and up popped
TFs.

From wikipedia alpha trion:

He is, in his own words, "a first generation product of Vector Sigma," meaning that he was one of the first wave of robots created by the Quintessons and imbued with life by the mega-computer when the aliens occupied Cybertron twelve million years ago. Then known as A-3, he spearheaded the rebellion of the consumer goods robots, turning their 'slave brand' into a symbol of freedom.

The Fallen = Quintesson

Cube = Vector Sigma  or  Allspark

Wiki Vector Sigma:

Vector Sigma is the "mega-computer" that gives sentience ("Sparks" in later parlance) to non-sentient robots, and is used by the Quintessons to endow their robotic creations with the true life that eventually leads to their rebellion. Vector Sigma attests that "before Cybertron was, I was." Subsequent fictions, such as Dreamwave's Transformers, would establish that Vector Sigma is a mainframe used by Primus, the creator god of the Transformers.

Vector Sigma requires a special circuit key to activate itself, which completes its power circuits. Additionally, should the key be lost, Vector Sigma's first-generation creations share his computation matrix, and are hence able to interface their power supply with it, reactivating it at the cost of their own life. The key itself possessed the ability to "de-energise matter," converting organic substances into "technomatter" (a mechanical and metal facsimile of itself).

Pretty much anyway... Quintesson sounds better for a bad guy though.

Vector Sigma was not revisited in the American series until the fourth and final season of the show, consisting of a three-part story entitled The Rebirth. Vector Sigma allowed Galvatron to become aware of the existence of the key to the Plasma Energy Chamber, the theft of which set in motion a chain of events that would restore Cybertron's Golden Age. Using the shell of the Matrix (its energies having been previously spent to cure the Hate Plague), Optimus Prime reactivated Vector Sigma, and conversed with Alpha Trion within the machine, learning of the computer's plans. Then, when the energy of the Plasma Energy Chamber threatened to overload Earth's sun, Spike Witwicky was able to redirect the excess solar energy into Vector Sigma, revitalizing the entire planet.

Sound familiar?

[Ghostavo]

He could just kill the humans, it's not like he has to abide by some honor code. Also, if the Primes were defeated, what exactly is he staying hidden from?

The other Autobots probably.

There weren't any Autobots, and even if there were, considering he was the strongest of the Primes and had just forced the remaining Primes to commit suicide, I can't see what he would gain by staying hidden.

[Kosh]

There weren't any Autobots,

Then where did they come from? My theory is that the Primes were the leaders of the race, not the whole race. The Autobots were the ones who supported the Primes who sacrificed themselves while the decepticons supported the Fallen. Why hide? Maybe he was badly outnumbered or something and needed to build his armies, starting with Megatron. Just a guess though. After all, why bother getting your hands dirty when others would be more than happy to do it for you?

Watch the first movie again, it says they know not from where it came

Yeah but I was still hoping they would discover its origins or something.

[SpardaSon21]

Saw it yesterday.  OMFG THE EXPLOSIONS!  They had som many explosions and fight scenes it was crazy.  Optimus Prime really kicked ass, especially in the forest where he took on three Decepticons, including Megatron at the same freaking time with his kickass heat blades.  I was expecting the fight between him and the Fallen to be a little longer though, not the thirty-second ass-beating it ended up being.  I think they ran out of explosives and CGI money after the looooooong battle between the Decepticons, the Autobots, and the U.S.  I do have a pretty juvenile sense of humor, so I ended up laughing a lot during the movie.

[Ghostavo]

There weren't any Autobots,

Then where did they come from? My theory is that the Primes were the leaders of the race, not the whole race. The Autobots were the ones who supported the Primes who sacrificed themselves while the decepticons supported the Fallen. Why hide? Maybe he was badly outnumbered or something and needed to build his armies, starting with Megatron. Just a guess though. After all, why bother getting your hands dirty when others would be more than happy to do it for you?

"Only a Prime can beat a Prime" and every other Prime commiting suicide doesn't really bode well for the theory that he had to hide for safety. As for getting the work done for you, I seem to recall that he didn't plan for the kid to have the knowledge of the cube and the Decepticons wanted to rip his head off so THEY could find the matrix. So really why would he hide? For giggles?

[NGTM-1R]

"Only a Prime can beat a Prime" and every other Prime commiting suicide doesn't really bode well for the theory that he had to hide for safety. As for getting the work done for you, I seem to recall that he didn't plan for the kid to have the knowledge of the cube and the Decepticons wanted to rip his head off so THEY could find the matrix. So really why would he hide? For giggles?

I thought, at first, he was crippled given his apparently being hooked up to some kind life-support (Spark-support?) gear, but they had to blow that at the end.

[Kosh]

"Only a Prime can beat a Prime" and every other Prime commiting suicide doesn't really bode well for the theory that he had to hide for safety.

There was still at least one decendant of the Primes running around, with his supporting army. And yeah, at the start of the movie The Fallen really didn't look like he was in good shape.

I thought, at first, he was crippled given his apparently being hooked up to some kind life-support (Spark-support?) gear, but they had to blow that at the end.

Maybe he was and he was just saving himself until they found what they were looking for.

[Scooby_Doo]

BTW has anyone seen the Twins icecream truck in stores yet?  I definitely want to get that one.

[Ghostavo]

"Only a Prime can beat a Prime" and every other Prime commiting suicide doesn't really bode well for the theory that he had to hide for safety.

There was still at least one decendant of the Primes running around, with his supporting army. And yeah, at the start of the movie The Fallen really didn't look like he was in good shape.

*sigh* You seem to have difficulty understanding this. The Fallen's base wasn't built immediately after the Autobots arrived. The Fallen was there way before the Autobots arrived. Hence he didn't have anyone to hide from. Literally.

The autobots weren't there to be a threat.

[Rodo]

owww I just saw it yesterday, damn! I loved it

optimus kicks ass!

[Snail]

How did Optimus go from being unable to defeat Megatron (first movie I mean) to being able to completely p4wn four Decepticons and the Fallen single-handedly?

[JGZinv]

He needed time to boot his OS... he's still running Win 95.

[GTSVA]

He needed time to boot his OS... he's still running Win 95.

How did Optimus go from being unable to defeat Megatron (first movie I mean) to being able to completely p4wn four Decepticons and the Fallen single-handedly?

Jetfire and some others gave him their parts and BAM! ULTRA Optimus Prime.

[NGTM-1R]

How did Optimus go from being unable to defeat Megatron (first movie I mean) to being able to completely p4wn four Decepticons and the Fallen single-handedly?

Combat experience.

[General Battuta]

How did Optimus go from being unable to defeat Megatron (first movie I mean) to being able to completely p4wn four Decepticons and the Fallen single-handedly?

Combat experience.

Bahahaha.   Awesome response.

[karajorma]

How did Optimus go from being unable to defeat Megatron (first movie I mean) to being able to completely p4wn four Decepticons and the Fallen single-handedly?

Someone remembered he wasn't ****.

[JGZinv]

Sine they were hooked into the world wide web....

Prime had a chance later on to review some human battle training programs.


Namely: Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Gundam, and the Matrix.



In Transformers 3, we shall see Drunken Masta Prime.

[Janos]

"Only a Prime can beat a Prime" and every other Prime commiting suicide doesn't really bode well for the theory that he had to hide for safety.

There was still at least one decendant of the Primes running around, with his supporting army. And yeah, at the start of the movie The Fallen really didn't look like he was in good shape.

*sigh* You seem to have difficulty understanding this. The Fallen's base wasn't built immediately after the Autobots arrived. The Fallen was there way before the Autobots arrived. Hence he didn't have anyone to hide from. Literally.

The autobots weren't there to be a threat.

So the Fallen just hangs there, pissed off. For like 17 000 years. Not doing anything at all. Then the Autobots return and the Fallen does nothing at all. When OPTIMUS PRIME DIEEEEES the Fallen decides to do the thing he hasn't done for 17 000 years for no obvious reason at all, and immediately somehow finds the place he is looking for (even though originally they want the information in Sam's head; IIRC they just kinda... forgot about it and just skipped over that part?).

... is he retarded? This thing does not make any sense!