[iamzack]

Guh. No. Separate but equal is never in *everybody's* favor.

[Scotty]

I never said in everybody's favor.  I said for the safety of all involved.

[SpardaSon21]

I'm with Scotty.  The problems faced with policing the Prawns, simply with their weaponry and superhuman strength, are not something your average human can cope with.  If a Prawn wants to resist a human, there's nothing the human can do except shoot to kill.  The only way a human would be able to resist a Prawn armed with a Prawn weapon would be with power armor and some infeasible weapon that requires power armor to fire.

[iamzack]

But prawns have *intelligence* and *emotion* potentially above what humans have. Why is there a need to police them at all? Give them some resources and help them fix their ship so they can GTFO.

[SpardaSon21]

They tried that.  They couldn't find the control module for the mothership.

[Scotty]

Intelligence + Emotion is one of the better ways to = crime.  They can want to commit the crime, and have the knowhow to do it well.

Why is there a need to police them at all?

The same reason humans need policing?  Greater Intelligence/Capacity for Emotion != lack of crime.

Not answering the last part because I assume they would have tried if they could.

[iamzack]

Uhh... Chris figured it out, so it was clearly possible to fix the ship and leave.

Besides that, intelligence and emotional capabilities mean that prawns understand how a society works. They have one of their own, after all.

Oppression and poverty leads to brutish stupid beings.

[Scotty]

Uhh... Chris figured it out, so it was clearly possible to fix the ship and leave.

Besides that, intelligence and emotional capabilities mean that prawns understand how a society works. They have one of their own, after all.

Oppression and poverty leads to brutish stupid beings.

How does any of that (except possibly that last point) relate to the "they don't need policing" argument you brought up earlier?

[iamzack]

I meant policing in the sense of what happened in the movie. Internment camp policing. I didn't notice I was so unclear.

[NGTM-1R]

I meant policing in the sense of what happened in the movie. Internment camp policing. I didn't notice I was so unclear.

Which is, bluntly, a direct response to the danger such work poses to those who do it.

[Colonol Dekker]

Agreed, measured response. Taking the cultural history into account was quite reasonable under the "unique" circumstances.

[iamzack]

Guh, but we've done the whole thing so. many. times. Japanese internment, South African apartheid, US vagrant laws, etc.

Our fears have *never* been justified.

I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.

[gavilatius]

if they made a game... i would shoot myself

[Colonol Dekker]

I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.

Sympathy is not present in my part, immersion,. atmosphere and enjoyment were though. Escapism definitely, harmless fun; of course

I'm genuinely amused and sorry you felt that way.

[iamzack]

By sympathy, I meant understanding. I'm failing at expression today.

[General Battuta]

I actually agree with iamzack. I think the movie exposed the futility of interning people, even when it appears justified. It never turns out well.

[NGTM-1R]

Guh, but we've done the whole thing so. many. times. Japanese internment, South African apartheid, US vagrant laws, etc.

Our fears have *never* been justified.

I suppose the movie had the effect of causing people to sympathize with the folks who came up with that sort of nonsense for better or worse, I don't know. Didn't work for me. Too bad.

Which is again a broken metaphor. I'm pointing out that the whole attitude the local security types take towards the prawns (with the exception of their leader, who's just a prick), is totally justified. The prawns really are that dangerous (excepting why the **** they had a SAM launcher unless it was to keep people out). They can kill a human nearly instantly with just bare hands, so the level of force the local security types are employing against them is, unfortunately, justified.

Integration of a group like the prawns isn't, in the strictest sense, possible. You'll end up with two sets of laws, not one, or maybe three sets of laws or four sets of laws. They will never be fully integrated. Whether he has feelings like you or me isn't really germane to the fact he can backhand me across the face and I'm not going to have a head anymore.

So yes, they could have done better about integration, but on the other hand the movie isn't just "apartheid/racism is bad" like you want to paint it; it presents a deeper, more complex issue than that, though it may not have intended to.

[Dilmah G]

I'm going to have to disagree, Wilkus never came off as heroic, he came off as selfish and douchey to the end. granted he was slightly less douchey while he was in the mech, but the fact that he was still a douche in a giant robot doesn't change the fact that he was a douche.

On different note, I agree.

[General Battuta]

I think the SAM launcher was probably intended for the mothership. Either that or they had suspicions about the command module being on a dropship.

[NGTM-1R]

I think the SAM launcher was probably intended for the mothership.

They were really optimistic about it, then, if they weren't point something more along the lines of surplus Russian antiship missiles at the thing.