[iamzack]

You realize those immigrants tend to have less than stellar education, right? And they're often working more than the 40 hour week to make ends meet. Where are they supposed to learn the language beyond the few broken phrases they need to find work?

It's not like their kids don't learn the language. They usually grow up perfectly bilingual; they're surrounded by English-speaking peers at school.

I live in an area that has mass numbers of immigrants coming in, and the only thing I've had a problem with is that hispanics are ugly and I hate having to look at them.

[Flipside]

Exactly, society tends to give them the unpleasant end of the stick, but the problem is that, when someone has just arrived, doesn't speak the language, and feels generally like the only people they can communicate with is people who speak their native tongue, is usually when they need to feel the most welcome, and are made to feel the least.

A simple feeling of being welcome to a society, even if you are patently not part of it would probably do far more to encourage integration than any amount of Oaths or exams.

[General Battuta]

I fully recognize that my life is pointless and that I have nothing to contribute to either society or even to myself, my life has less point than most anyone's you know.  I know on the same basic level that you love your significant other that my life is void of any meaning or value.

However, I don't think small-scale, it's probably one of many reasons why I've never had a serious relationship with anyone or held down a real job.  I think in the largest pictures of anyone I know, in the quiet spaces of my head I plan out, in the grossest terms available, ways to solve the largest problems plaguing mankind.  And no, I don't mean bigotry or social ills, I mean how to preserve the species in the near and long term.  Most of which involve re-accelerating the push into space, colonization of the moon and the development, design and construction of space habitats that are capable of supporting tens of thousands.  Then once we tame the space surrounding Earth and perfect our intra-orbital tech to the point where going to the moon is like driving to another city.

I worry about this because I see it happening where I live, vast numbers of immigrants who don't bother to learn the language or even the basic laws.  The ones I've met are decent folk, but they're not making much attempt to integrate into the existing culture.

If you really did think comprehensively on the big scale then you'd address the issues with human cognition - including the very ingroup/outgroup biases that you're falling prey to here.

[StarSlayer]

Pfft speed ahead a couple millennia and we'll have ethnic Chinese colonists with Prussian culture, a Realpolitik foreign policy who speak German.  

[SpardaSon21]

What, you mean the Andermani Empire?

[Rodo]

hahahaha, guys you care too much about immigrants.. they are here and they have come to stay... and they'll bring their families over once they get a "choza" and a "laburo".

I'm from Argentina and we've been living with immigrants from Peru, Bolivia, Paraguay, Venezuela, China.
This last years I've seen more immigrants out there every day... sure I hate this but it's something that can't be helped. You can't deny the seek for a better future to this people, they deserve it as much as you do, and they come from another country where they did not have a good future (or present).

Don't worry... it only appears they bring doom, but in fact immigrants are always very VERY careful on foraign lands, respectful and kind (well most of them), they can't afford to screw the only exit they have to their problems.

[Scotty]

Pfft speed ahead a couple millennia and we'll have ethnic Chinese colonists with Prussian culture, a Realpolitik foreign policy who speak German. 

Chien Liu Anderman is not amused.  Or maybe he is.  It's hard to tell.

[redsniper]

This thread. It's just- I don't even

[Liberator]

So I guess I'm the only one here who subscribes to the concept of American exceptionalism...

[iamzack]

What, Amurricans are speshul snowflakes?

[Turambar]

So I guess I'm the only one here who subscribes to the concept of American exceptionalism...

Just looked it up and it seems like a pretty ****ty, narcissistic concept, so yeah, you might be.

Edit: @Iamzack- no, its that America has a determination to play a special and important role in the world (play world police and **** everyone else over at any opportunity)

[High Max]

So I guess I'm the only one here who subscribes to the concept of American exceptionalism...

There is no best country. You only think it is best because you grew up here and have been brainwashed to think that. Not enough people here think for themselves and they blindly follow this culture and do whatever they were brainwashed to think is cool.

Every country may be exceptional in its own way since they all have differences. If anything, this country is exceptional in a bad corrupt way. Wake up, Liberator. Think for yourself. Don't give in to the materialist train of thought and believe everything this culture wants you to think is right and the way to go. Don't give into peer pressure. Be strong. Your mind is not liberated because you are blinded by this culture, by patriotism, and with knowledge and strength in the mind can one liberate his mind from impurity and brainwashing. The truth liberates the mind.

[Ford Prefect]

Every country may be exceptional in its own way since they all have differences. If anything, this country is exceptional in a bad corrupt way. Wake up, Liberator. Think for yourself. Don't give in to the materialist train of thought and believe everything this culture wants you to think is right and the way to go. Don't give into peer pressure. Be strong. Your mind is not liberated because you are blinded by this culture, by patritism, and with knowledge and strength in the mind can one liberate his mind from impurity and brainwashing. The truth liberates the mind.

[High Max]

I don't know the meaning of that pic. Is that Neo on The Matrix? Be liberated from the Matrix?

[Turambar]

We're all citizens of Earth.


Frak, it really is going to take aliens or robot rebellions for us to realize that as a species, isnt it.

[redsniper]

That's why we must hurry up and invent Cylons.

[Liberator]

You show me an afgan or a Romanian who thinks they're a citizen of some wonderful benevolent world republic that will NEVER exist no matter how much you wish it to happen.  I am proud of my country and I'm not ashamed to say it.

[Turambar]

You show me an afgan or a Romanian who thinks they're a citizen of some wonderful benevolent world republic that will NEVER exist no matter how much you wish it to happen.  I am proud of my country and I'm not ashamed to say it.

You're one sad, hopeless little man.

[Ace]

If it makes you feel better, the massive population gain from third world countries will eventually result in energy usage so extensive that the earth itself will collapse into a black hole.

But it'll be ruled by one white man and his armies of UAVs to keep them in line!

Corrected

[High Max]

@Liberator: Most people are proud of their own country. It is what they were brought up to believe and they usually don't know any different. If you were born somewhere else, you would have a different opinion most likely. It's your opinion, nothing more.

Remember, the people of this world don't need liberating nearly as much as you think, but your mind does. You must release the demons from your mind that control you with deceit and not let others control you. You automatically think USA is right without question. You know, in some ways, I could say USA has terrorist-like behaviors. Invading and inflicting civilian casualties in order to force their belief of capitalism on others. Though many claim USA is over there helping people. I'm not so sure about that. I'm a skeptical person these days.

Terrorism: http://www.wordreference.com/definition/terrorism

terrorism  
A noun
 1  terrorism, act of terrorism, terrorist act
 
   the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear  

Is the USA really any different from normal terrorists if you look at that definition?