[KillMeNow]

look up the new scientest web site - it is in there somwhere (at least i think they put there old article there)- its not quite aplicable since it was photons - they claimed it in the title to be  astar trek style transporter for photons and it could even mesure the quatum state - i was very sceptical but if they printed as fact it they must be pretty sure about it

not being a quatum physicist though i couldn't tell you how it was done though - but i understand where you are coming from my initial reaction was the same

[CP5670]

Actually if the position and velocity of a particle could be mathematically theorized, actual observation would not be necessary. It would be really hard to find such a formula, but it seems like the only way to get around the uncertainty principle issue. (good for theorists like me though )

its instanteous - so no delay between the reaction on mars over even the far side of the universe

This is pretty interesting; I think that the particles might actually be moving through three dimensions or something instead of four, so that all states of time are one and change is all instantaneous.

quantum entaglement - thank you it was bothering me to have forgotten the name =)

LOL same here; I knew I had heard it before and it was something starting with an "E" but my memory was failing me beyond that.

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add in a few more o's.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by KillMeNow
quantum entaglement - thank you it was bothering me to have forgotten the name =)

Excuse me, this has been popping up a lot, and it's the only thing I don't understand....
If quantum refers (or means, I'm a little sketchy on it) to time, then how can you enlarge time?
I mean, I know about quantum tunneling, where you bore a hole through time, and then you can go (I think) backwards and forwards in time. So how does that relate to communication, other than in the time it takes for the message to get through.



Oh, BTW, mikhael (can I just call you McHale?:p), your points are well said, and you put up an interesting argument. Do you have any ideas how I could make this viable? I'm actually thinking of submitting this, and if I do I'll definately include this thread, because, since guys made me see that a lot of it was off, it's your idea, too

Other than that, I still think that the idea holds some merit for intersteller communication. How about not using light, but some other medium that radio waves, because of their slow speed at long distances? (Please, this is true, it takes up to an hour for signals to get from here to mars!)

[an0n]

All energy and stuff is made of/defined in quanta. A quantum level thingy is friggin tiny. It's not enlargement, it's entanglement as in the two particles have become tangled or linked together somehow.

[Unknown Target]

ok, thanks.
So, how far away does it need to become entangled? Literally entangled, or can it be linked by energy?

[an0n]

Originally posted by Unkown Target
Other than that, I still think that the idea holds some merit for intersteller communication. How about not using light, but some other medium that radio waves, because of their slow speed at long distances? (Please, this is true, it takes up to an hour for signals to get from here to mars!)

Planetary movement and lags on targetting would make it impossible to hit anything smaller than a few miles wide, even if it was only Mars-distance away. And when the light beam hit, the who few-mile-wide receiver would need to be capable of detecting the stream uninterupted on any 1cm square area (or however wide the beam was). Not to mention interstellar dust and gasses would **** up the stream through refraction, diffraction and deflection.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Unkown Target
ok, thanks.
So, how far away does it need to become entangled? Literally entangled, or can it be linked by energy?

The particles just become mystically twinned with each other. I don't think anyone knows the specifics of why it happens yet.

[Unknown Target]

Because I was just thinking....if two quantum particles inside two different machines intertwined over a distance, whatever happened to the first machine (and, as such, the first particle) would invariably happen to the second machine, and then the second partical...
And then you would have a device for instant communication!

[an0n]

Originally posted by Unkown Target
Because I was just thinking....if two quantum particles inside two different machines intertwined over a distance, whatever happened to the first machine (and, as such, the first particle) would invariably happen to the second machine, and then the second partical...

Yes, except that within a fraction of a second (in larger, more complex particle....err....constructions) entropy kicks in and the various exchanges of energy between either particle and other nearby particles or energy ****s things up.

[Unknown Target]

Got any ideas on how to stop that?
Energy suspension, inside a rubber bubble?

[an0n]

Originally posted by Unkown Target
Got any ideas on how to stop that?
Energy suspension, inside a rubber bubble?

The very process of moving the twinned particles apart would **** it up. Any kind of field used to suspend the particles would do exactly the same.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Unkown Target
How about not using light, but some other medium that radio waves, because of their slow speed at long distances? (Please, this is true, it takes up to an hour for signals to get from here to mars!)

RADIO. WAVES. DON'T. SLOW. DOWN. AT LONG. DISTANCES.

It takes an hour for signal to get from here to Mars because it takes light an hour to get from here to Mars. Radio waves or light or X-rays or microwaves, its all the same blessed thing LITERALLY.

The only medium you have to work with its not going to let you do anything any faster. You can't speed the thing up. The whole universe is designed from the beginning to disallow anything from going faster than light. Its a mathematical and physical impossibility.

If you ever discover any way to transmit data faster than a speeding radiowave, you'll win the Nobel Prize ON THE SPOT. You'll have overturned Einstein.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by mikhael
RADIO. WAVES. DON'T. SLOW. DOWN. AT LONG. DISTANCES.

LOL! How many times have you repeated that in this thread alone?

[an0n]

Originally posted by Styxx
LOL! How many times have you repeated that in this thread alone?

Granted that for someone who doesn't know a fair amount about physics this is hard but the amount of times some thing have been needed to be repeated is unbeleivable. Not just the radio-light thing but loads of stuff.

[Unknown Target]

erm, sorry McHale, there were so many posts I must have skipped over some.

Well, at least you know way more than me, do they teach this stuff where you are?(I'm only in 7th grade, so I wouldn't know;))

[KillMeNow]

7th grade you say well if your there for the first time adn have haven't been held back for oh 10 years we all forgive you lol

i dont suppose quantum phsyics come up very offen in your classes

just as spelling puctunaction and well anythign that involved typing correctly are in mine and those classes in the apst that did involve it you guessed it i was sleeping =)

[wEvil]

Heh

i used to draw spaceships at every oppertunity.

lots of starwars back then cuz i was playing too much TIE Fighter

[an0n]

7th Grade......Hmmmm. Fair enough. Not everyone can be expected to be as bright as I was. I understood the theories and reactions involved in a Fission-Fusion-Fission bomb by then. If you wann be really smart go find a book on advanced physics. Reading through it (even if you don't understand most of it) should give you a basic level of understanding of the basic principles of advanced physics. I read through one physics book and never listened for the rest of my 2 years in GCSE Physics and I'm now doing it at A-Level. But like I said, I'm bright.

[Zeronet]

We did single science foundation when we were in year 9(14 years old), thats where i got my C grade GSCE . I usually spend most of science drawing theorical ships and stuff, like ships with solar sails. You should read the book, just six numbers i think. Very interesting stuff.

[Mr. Vega]

Radio waves don't slow down over time. They just lose energy, shifted farther to the red.