[MP-Ryan]

Basically, they hate fascists, but only the ones with funny names and/or that America has gone to war with.

Silly Nuclear1, don't you understand that facism only includes foreign fundamentalist/radical authoritarian conservatives?  Fundamentalist/radical authoritarian conservatives in the United States are "patriots."

[Turambar]

Funny how Liberator picks one thing to respond to, picks the wrong part out of it, and responds to it incorrectly.

How about you address the part where SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES DESPISE FREEDOM?

I mean, first off you still believe in god, at your age, which is ridiculous, but you also believe that his bull**** minutiae rules should be imposed on all of society.  Not only this, you get to pick and choose which bull**** rules to implement.  Do you see how someone with a secular viewpoint can see this as restrictive on freedom?

[High Max]

Nothing wrong with believing in a higher power. You can't disprove it. It has nothing to do with age. It doesn't have to be the one from Christanity or one from any religion.

Freedom is good, but we need a balance and discipline or we get too much of this:

[iamzack]

There's nothing wrong with believing it as long as you don't delude yourself into thinking it's rational/logical/reasonable.

[High Max]

Yes, it is good to not be blinded and accepting it as absolutes. Of course it's possible that maybe the reason why so many things seem illogical is because the universe is so complex that we can't comprehend certain things, and therefore only seems illogical. Like Battuta said, the universe is too complex for our limited brains to comprehend, so it makes sense to say that many things may sound illogical because it is too complex to comprehend it as logic with our minds, and only seems illogical to us as a race. It is possible.

Sorry, I'm not intending to derail the topic. So I'll stop now on that.

[Turambar]

We have laws for those already, High Max.

My parents told me the tooth fairy was real

turned out to be a lie

my parents told me santa was real

turned out to be a lie

my parents told me god was real

still waiting for some proof on that one.

[Nuclear1]

Uh, High Max, did you just say that too much freedom leads to bullying, crime, and obesity?

Yeah, that's not true.  No one (except the damned crazy Libertarians) is proposing borderline anarchy.  

[High Max]

Bullying, crime, sloth, and little regard for people, is what I think. But I think we also need a certain amount. Not too little, not too much. That way we can have a balance of safety and health in a society as well. Isn't too much capitalism and freedom the reason why businesses and corporations can steal people's money and the COs get most of it? I was watching a program that was about what too much capitalism has done to American.

[Blue Lion]

What a weird comic cover

[Liberator]

Funny how Liberator picks one thing to respond to, picks the wrong part out of it, and responds to it incorrectly.

How about you address the part where SOCIAL CONSERVATIVES DESPISE FREEDOM?

I mean, first off you still believe in god, at your age, which is ridiculous, but you also believe that his bull**** minutiae rules should be imposed on all of society.  Not only this, you get to pick and choose which bull**** rules to implement.  Do you see how someone with a secular viewpoint can see this as restrictive on freedom?

Alrighty here we go.  Nice and short.

Social Conservatism = The promotion of moral lifestyles and behaviors because these are what makes Men decent and civilized.  The degradation of these is why there is so much chaos in the world today.

Most of you are going to paint that with a ridiculously generalized brush, but you know what, I don't care.  That's what I believe.  Man can be good without a moral foundation, but society cannot.

[Kosh]

There's nothing wrong with believing it as long as you don't delude yourself into thinking it's rational/logical/reasonable.

There's plenty wrong with it because it's self delusional. What makes it 100 times worse is when people pass it off as being reasonable.

You can't disprove it.

If God exists then kill me in the next 10 seconds.

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Time's up, God doesn't exist.

Bullying,

Actually in Japan, a society with little to no social freedoms bullying is a much bigger problem than it is in the US, and unlike in the US where it usually stops when high school is over (or earlier), in Japan it will continue even when you are 35 years old or older. Why? Because according to them if you are bullied it is YOUR fault for not conforming enough.

[High Max]

Do you mean bullying physically? I recall my Japanese past girlfriend, who is a teacher, telling me that violent acts towards teachers from the kids is becoming a problem. Is this connected?

[iamzack]

Social Conservatism = The enforcement of what some people believe to be moral lifestyles and behaviors because these are what makes Men decent and civilized.  The degradation of these is why there is so much chaos in the world today.

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[Turambar]

Social Conservatism = The promotion of moral lifestyles and behaviors because these are what makes Men decent and civilized.  The degradation of these is why there is so much chaos in the world today.

Man can be good without a moral foundation, but society cannot.

And who defines the morals?

We have laws on the things that everyone can agree on, like stealing and murder and tax evasion.  The real important bases are covered.  If you feel like abortions are wrong and that gay marriage is wrong, then you are free to not have abortions or get married to a dude.  To deny dude-love to others because of your own personal beliefs though, that's authoritarian and wrong.

[High Max]

Social Conservatism = The enforcement of what some people believe to be moral lifestyles and behaviors because these are what makes Men decent and civilized.  The degradation of these is why there is so much chaos in the world today.

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And democracy is people voting for laws and enforces them when the majority agree on them and therefore are allowed to pass them as law. That makes sense. However, laws can be passed if just 51% agree on them, I believe. So a huge minority may not agree. Then you have a problem. That is the flaw in democracy, I suppose.

[Turambar]

That is the flaw in democracy, I suppose.

The other flaw is that the majority of our representatives are for sale.  That's a different discussion though.

[iamzack]

Majority does not get to take away rights from a minority. A lamb and two wolves voting on what''s for supper, you know?

Even if 99% of people are purple and 1% of people are green, and all 99% vote to enslave the green people, that doesn't fly.

[Nuclear1]

Bullying, crime, sloth, and little regard for people.

I wouldn't say so.  I don't understand where you're drawing these conclusions.  Could you give me something to understand?

Social Conservatism = The promotion of moral lifestyles and behaviors because these are what makes Men decent and civilized.  The degradation of these is why there is so much chaos in the world today.

Most of you are going to paint that with a ridiculously generalized brush, but you know what, I don't care.  That's what I believe.  Man can be good without a moral foundation, but society cannot.

And society can be moral without your particular lifestyle and behavior.  Atheists, Muslims, Jews, Christians, agnostics, Mormons, et al. are just as capable of morality as anyone.  Marijuana smokers are capable of morality.  They just simply choose to enjoy a plant in the same way people who smoke tobacco do.  Homosexuals are capable of morality--just because they are in love with someone of the same gender, doesn't mean society's infrastructure is going to crumble by granting them freedom.

No, I'm not for pedophiles being given free-reign to interact with children; I'm not for allowing every single American to own as many guns as they want; I'm not for allowing people to become obese to the point where they cannot contribute to society.  As long as your freedom does not infringe on mine or my neighbor's or the members of your family, I don't give a damn what you do, what you believe, or how you do it.

You're not enforcing a "moral standard"; you're enforcing your moral standard.  Social conservatives have been at the heart of opposing civil rights legislation for blacks, hate crime legislation for homosexuals, and marriage provisions for homosexuals.  They've been adamant about opposing marijuana, despite the fact that marijuana is only illegal because of a corporate attempt in the early 20th century to ban hemp as a competitor to lumber, and it being possibly the least harmful drug on the market, even less so than tobacco and alcohol.  Social conservatives have been terrified of what goes on in people's bedrooms that they don't understand; again, as long as it's consensual and not harming a child, it shouldn't matter to you.  

I don't walk into your house and tell you to stop eating salad because I can't stand it.   I don't take away your SUV because it guzzles gas.  I don't tell you who to marry just because the woman's a total *****.  So don't do it to me.  

[High Max]

I wouldn't say so.  I don't understand where you're drawing these conclusions.  Could you give me something to understand?

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2621

I just browsed it but will start reading it now. But it looks like it agrees with what I think starting in the 2nd paragragh that starts with the words "little wonder".

About homosexuality: Oriental cultures from long ago and I think even monks have practiced it for 1000's of years. If you watch Japanese anime that is subbed and not sensored for kids here, you will see that some characters have what can be interpreted as a homosexual relationship, Even in Sailor Moon, Sailor Uranus and Neptune were in a love relationship, but those parts of it were altered and filtered for broadcast in the USA, even though the Japanese version (original version) didn't show them do anything. Me and others may think homosexuality is a little strange, but I don't hate them for being homosexual and actually many of them seem to be kind. It is widely believed to be a lifestyle choice though. Is that possible at all or misinformation?

[Turambar]

I wouldn't say so.  I don't understand where you're drawing these conclusions.  Could you give me something to understand?

http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=2621

I just browsed it but will start reading it now. But it looks like it agrees with what I think starting in the 2nd paragragh that starts with the words "little wonder".

Terrorists must absolutely love these people.  They give them exactly what they want!