[General Battuta]

You got that star because you edited your own posts to remove things that made you look bad, High Max. You'd been warned not to do so more than once.

As for Liberator, hopefully you won't get talked down to due to differences of opinion, but when it comes to ignorance of fact, then, as Flipside said, it's fair game. If you can't cite, then, generally, you aren't right.

PS. credit to GB for keeping his act together and civil under that pressure, one of the better performances seen here.

Thanks. I was about ready to go off on Liberator there at the end, though, which would've been unseemly. It was frustrating to have all that progress ignored.

[Flipside]

High Max : Well, regardless of the name, the group will not allow you to edit or delete your posts, something you had a reputation for.

And Liberator, no-one is telling you not to have an opinion, but when you define other people's opinion as 'Senseless Blathering', then why are you surprised when people react in kind?

Edit: Ok, I'm going to unlock the thread now, since people seem to be, at least, talking to each other, rather than at each other, but I'll be keeping an eye one it.

[General Battuta]

Yeah, calling a debate about Turing completeness, physical determinism, and embodied cognition 'senseless blathering' is a wee bit cheeky.

[High Max]

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[General Battuta]

Well, I have no problem with Mobius, so I hope he said nice things about me, and I hope things are going well for him. He didn't make the cut on HLP, but that was mostly a social skills problem on his part, and I look forward to seeing more of his work.

You removed large portions of a post regarding your stalking habits, rendering the rest of the thread nonsensical. Because you had been warned not to do so, you were disciplined.

[Flipside]

Sorry, but what on Earth has Mobius' opinion get to do with anything here?

Seriously, that's like saying 'My mate thinks you're an idiot too, so there!'...

[General Battuta]

I doubt Mobius could make heads or tails of the thread, so his reaction was probably not positive.

It's one of the risks of running a forum that tends to be so mature (compared to other Internet venues): it's easy to feel shut out. Mobius had some growing up to do, but he wasn't a bad guy. At some point I'm sure he'll mellow out a bit.

[Flipside]

I don't have a problem with Mobius himself, he's quite welcome to come back and get involved if/when he feels ready, but I take exceptions to posts saying 'Me and my mate were talking about you and we both think everyone we disagree with are idiots', that's not doing either High Max or Mobius any favours, because it makes them sound like they are about 8 years old, and since Mobius isn't around to give his own voice, it's basically putting words into Mobius' mouth that he can't confirm, support, clarify or deny, and neither can we.

[General Battuta]

Right.

I would be very surprised if Mobius were actually acting as juvenile as High Max suggests. He's usually a bigger man than that.

I make a point of saying good things about him. There's no sense in talking **** about people behind their backs; it gets nothing done.

[Colonol Dekker]

What topic is this referring to again

[High Max]

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[Flipside]

If he is not prepared to post his views then that is up to him, that does not mean that the responsiblity falls to you, either he posts or he doesn't, what I don't expect to see is him using you as some kind of mouthpiece, or you invoking him as some kind of defence. Neither are acceptable, if he has something to say he can come here and say it personally and not use you for the purpose, that's hardly the act of someone you are defining as mature, is it?

And, once again, whilst the conversation was heated, there were comments flying in both directions, and yet both sides managed to moderately civil at the end of the day, at least until Liberator dropped his little bomb on the thread.

All you are succeeding in doing here is lowering my opinion of Mobius, and that's unfortunate, because he isn't here to defend himself.

[The E]

I keep records of IM convos, but I won't say exactly what we were talking about because I like him. But he isn't happy with being banned from the Wiki before or having his stuff removed from it or whatever happened to him 'something like that'. I agree with him that I shouldn't care what people here think about me. All I can say is I'm not alone with my dislike on how people call people they disagree with and can't understand 'retard, idiot, etc' on the forum, and they claim to know people like me by saying 'least enigmatic person I know' and that sounds like a silly way to say it since I never met anyone here. Also, things like how they put down, Lib, Trashman, me, Mobius, Akalebeth Angel, etc, for disagreeing with things.

Disagreement is fine. You not being able or willing to adequately support your statements with facts is not. You can go on and on all day about "Science isn't everything" and "rational thought isn't all that", but ultimately, you are just very, very wrong and utterly misguided on these points. And since you are unwilling to do the same thing WE do with every one of your statements, that is, CHECK them against what we call FACTS, is it really a wonder if we don't really take you seriously?

Then Bat goes on saying things to many like "you have a lot to learn about evolution' and 'ever take calculous?', etc' like he is smarter than all else who don't argee with him, and has a braincentric attitude and ego. Then people say I sound childish when many here are no different and have egos too and are in some ways more immature by having to always use vulgar words and things like F'er and 'retard'. That doesn't make you look good to any that do that. It least I don't call people retard and ignorant or dick head. That is more childish, I would think, and sounds high school. It reminds me of what I experienced many years ago in high school.

That paragraph, right there? There may be a point in there, but your patterns of speech do a good job at obfuscating it. Besides, we don't always use vulgarity, but it is ****ing hilarious from time to time.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. I should follow the advice of people who are on my side and not worry about what people here think of me or being outnumbered.

There's a difference between not taking things that go down here personally, and ignoring everything that is being said. Sometimes, we do like to help, to give you pointers on where we think you could improve yourself and your behaviour, but it just doesn't seem to take.

[Ford Prefect]

like he is smarter than all else who don't argee with him, and has a braincentric attitude and ego.

and has a braincentric attitude and ego.

braincentric

[Flipside]

I think the problem here is that some people work in black and white, whilst others work in shades of grey. I wouldn't even say that an opposing opinion is 'wrong' as such, but merely a different view on the subject, but, there's a difference between arguing the point and simply throwing accusations at people.

To be honest, my problem isn't with the differing concepts about the Teleportation thread, but more about the whole idea that something Mobius says has any bearing whatsoever on it, or that someone is willing to turn round and say 'I was talking to Mobius about GB on IRC, and he thought you were idiots but I'm not going to tell you exactly what he said', I hope I don't have to point out how ridiculous that sounds.

[General Battuta]

It doesn't bother me. I trust that Mobius is more mature than not. I would be deeply disappointed in him if he'd actually done that, but not much else.

[High Max]

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[NGTM-1R]

As I noted to Mobius about a similar gambit, I don't care if you say you're not alone; all information from you about such things is automatically suspect. Without emperical evidence of Mobius himself posting such things, I do not believe it in fact happened. Because, frankly, you could be lying when pressed on the issue. You would not be the first, and you will not be the last.

[High Max]

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[General Battuta]

Okay, look.

Nobody really cares.

If Mobius is being a dick, then, um, that's why he was banned.

If he's not (which I assume, I thought he was a pretty good guy), then that's good.

I honestly hadn't given a spare thought to Mobius since he vanished, except to wonder if INFASA was going to be done soon. So let's just let it be.