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Offline Spicious

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I don't see why all this moral outrage about carbon permits and all their government control isn't also directed at similar things like fishing permits (as poor a job as they are doing).

 

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So wait, we're being condmend for jumping on him because he posted a link to ALEX ****ING JONES website as evidence? Give me a break, Bob.

On that note, on that very page of evidence, is a series of direct contradictions to:

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1) Is the climate of the Earth getting warmer? 
Yes.

Not to mention the poing of this very thread calling all the science a fraud and those who advance its conclusions liars. Its unmitigated bull**** from someone either unable or unwilling to debate. Which is it Lib? Is the rational part of your brain actually rebelling against teh garbage its being fed and you ACTUALLY see there might be evidence of warming independent of the policy argument? Or is it all a fraud brough by "you people" and we're all out to get you, your family, and your religion?

If that's a grand conspiracy to **** on poor Liberator, so be it, but I have been listening to assinine arguments from uneducated fools for 20+ years on this subject. I am tired of being "polite" to those who have no interest in reciprocation. According to some in this thread, I am part of some global conspiracy to remove freedom, I am an evil man for participating. I am lying. The accusation is VERY thinly veiled,

It doesn't get more personal an attack than that.
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Offline karajorma

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Which is why he'll be banned if he repeats it.

Like I said, we take personal attacks quite seriously here.
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Offline Janos

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I don't see why all this moral outrage about carbon permits and all their government control isn't also directed at similar things like fishing permits (as poor a job as they are doing).

Short answer: people don't want to change.

There's too much at stake here: peoples' unsustainable lifestyles and quaternary economy are at complete odds with climate change, which requires long-term planning and forcefully moving away from stuff like coal, vast gasoline consumption and "every day's a beef day".
Markets do not like to move to more expensive means of production to produce same commodities as their competitors do at half the price. There is significant inertia to this change, and it is slow. This is detrimental if society's goal is to transform into something else and on a fast pace too! As such, governing bodies dictate - as their right is - what the markets should do. The markets resist. A crisis is born. No matter what the deal is, they resist. Such is their mission as completely amoral profit machines. An insignificant number of them will probably profit immensely from the paradigm shift, but those who are large now will probably suffer.

People are quite conservative as well. The modern western lifestyle is pure rubbish, literally: our entire economy revolves around people buying, buying and buying stuff, casting away 3 year old iPods, two year old cars, yesterday's food, all wrapped in several layers of plastic. The legacy of our great free market experiment can be seen in landfills. The goals of all these policy changes are to reduce carbon emissions and not surprisingly peoples' behaviour is also a target. Most people don't like this at all. The idea that your very actions can actually have some meaning in either good or bad has negative implications for people who have been all about rampant individualism. And the idea that world might became a pretty ****ed-up place during our lifetime because of what we have been doing is very unpleasant. Everyone would just love to see that the worst-case scenarios won't happen, and everyone would be really, really happy if it wasn't us or if nothing will happen. The inertia is subconscious.

And about the rage against fishing quotas? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33553385/ns/us_news-environment/
"They have been devastated and dwindled and in many places there are no more fish left, but goddamnit MY PROFITS!" Tragedy of the commons indeed. I have a nagging suspicion that this is what is happening on a larger scale with all this heavy industry stubbornly resisting any kind of change to more sustainable lifestyle.




lol wtf

 

Offline Inquisitor

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Like I said, we take personal attacks quite seriously here.

Then warn me for my unwarranted attack on the poor guy, split the thread and **** can the contents. Enforce your rules. Monkeying might be good for my blood pressure.
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This topic devolved into a non-hadley blamewar discussion a while back. I'm tempted to put it in a lockbox but i'll wait a bit and see how it goes.
 
 
 
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