[Dilmah G]

On the note of an SOC Campaign, what do you guys want to see in it? (This is not a FRED-Your-Fantasy or anything, so leave those bloody socks at home, will you? )

[Thaeris]

Atmospheric mission where your flight of GTF Kulas fighters, supported by Aroura recon fighters, is assigned to destroy a UEF airfield.

Interesting change in perspective, eh?

[Guthan]

Their has to be an evil side to the Ubuntu. I want the SOC to bring out those elements.










-Also, no mod has ever done this...but what happened to Aken Boosch? He was last seen talking with shivans, and well...the shivans took him in their transport.

[General Battuta]

There's as much an 'evil side' to the UEF as there is to the GTVA. It's all up to your point of view.

[Guthan]

I was just responding to dillman's post, when he suggested on making a campaign. I assumed he was working for you lads. it'd be interesting if something like that came out,

Like in WoW, both the alliance and horde have their ups and downs.

[Dilmah G]

Ah yeah, I'll talk it over with Bats and the Darii.

[-Norbert-]

-Also, no mod has ever done this...but what happened to Aken Boosch? He was last seen talking with shivans, and well...the shivans took him in their transport

Not entirely true. I remember once playing a campaign in which Bosch somehow was transported back in time during a jump into another galaxy. And the battlegroup you are part of somehow ends up in that galaxy (without the timetravel) to meed with a culture that are the offspring of Bosch and his command crew.

But I don't remember the name of said campaign.

[NGTM-1R]

There's as much an 'evil side' to the UEF as there is to the GTVA. It's all up to your point of view.

The UEF as you and Darius have presented it is pretty much a flat impossiblity. There has to be more.

[Dilmah G]

Oh, but there is.

[Snail]

The Fedayeen have to be like evil black ops guys or something ("state sponsored terrorists").

[Dragon]

From what I read about them, they seem to be a bit like that, though I'm not sure if actually evil.
I feel that they're not too sympathic.

[General Battuta]

There's as much an 'evil side' to the UEF as there is to the GTVA. It's all up to your point of view.

The UEF as you and Darius have presented it is pretty much a flat impossiblity.

No. The difference between the UEF and today's governments is smaller than that between today's governments and those of a few hundred years ago. Given accelerating social changes due to self-catalyzing systems, this is not implausible.

Besides, treating the UEF as a homogeneous group is silly. It contains at least three major states with significant culture differences.

There has to be more.

Possibly.

[NGTM-1R]

No. The difference between the UEF and today's governments is smaller than that between today's governments and those of a few hundred years ago. Given accelerating social changes due to self-catalyzing systems, this is not implausible.

Besides, treating the UEF as a homogeneous group is silly. It contains at least three major states with significant culture differences.

You have pretty much described the overarching mechanism, I.E. the Elders ask nicely and everyone does it, which is itself not a sufficently strong governmental system, regardless of any amount of social change, to hold together anything. The more you say it's not a homogenous group, the more silly what sketchy description of it you've made sounds. So far all that's been said or can be deduced of the UEF more or less requires it to be very homogenous simply to function.

[Dragon]

I don't think that this system works solely on "Elders ask nicely and everyone does it".
For example, if some government doesn't do for what Elders ask, the Fedayeen may then come and ask them... less nicely.  

[SpardaSon21]

So they're a "benevolent" oligarchy basically, the benevolence entirely depending on whether or not you are agreeing with the Elders' decisions?

[Vip]

So they're a "benevolent" oligarchy basically, the benevolence entirely depending on whether or not you are agreeing with the Elders' decisions?

According to the UEF, every time you oppose the Elders, a kitten dies. Thus it is pure evil to not agree with them and you shall be dealt with in an appropriate manner.

[SpardaSon21]

I figured it was something like that.  *Sigh.*

[General Battuta]

No, this is all pure speculation. I'm not sure where NGTM-1R is coming from but it's certainly an incomplete analysis.

No. The difference between the UEF and today's governments is smaller than that between today's governments and those of a few hundred years ago. Given accelerating social changes due to self-catalyzing systems, this is not implausible.

Besides, treating the UEF as a homogeneous group is silly. It contains at least three major states with significant culture differences.

You have pretty much described the overarching mechanism, I.E. the Elders ask nicely and everyone does it, which is itself not a sufficently strong governmental system, regardless of any amount of social change, to hold together anything. The more you say it's not a homogenous group, the more silly what sketchy description of it you've made sounds. So far all that's been said or can be deduced of the UEF more or less requires it to be very homogenous simply to function.

You do not have adequate information to make an accurate assessment of the structure of the UEF or the functionality of the Ubuntu program.

The role of the Fedayeen is far more complicated and nuanced than that of an internal police force or death squad.

You'll just have to wait and see.

[NGTM-1R]

You do not have adequate information to make an accurate assessment of the structure of the UEF or the functionality of the Ubuntu program.

Yes, true, but then again I have enough to start making educated guesses, and I did more or less quote you from a previous thread. Were you lying?

[General Battuta]

Possibly. Unless it comes direct from a canon source, consider it the speculation of a fellow fan.