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Do you still play fs2_open on Windows 98 or ME?

No and I do not care about Win98/ME
61 (88.4%)
No, but I expect fs2_open to work on Win98/ME
5 (7.2%)
Yes I still play on Win98/ME
3 (4.3%)

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Offline jr2

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On another topic, why would anyone want to have '98 or ME on a machine that could support FSO?  Such a machine would certainly be able to run XP.  Especially if you play around with the services... Actually, any version of Windows from 2000 on up can benefit from that kind of tweaking.  clicky  << Find your OS under "Popular Content" and tweak away!

 
My vote is to go ahead and kill 98/ME support.

Speaking strictly for myself, the only reason I would build a 98/ME system these days would be to run old DOS games, Descent, and/or FreeSpace on 3Dfx hardware.  With DOSBox, Descent source ports, and (of course) the SCP around, I don't see much of a point.

We've got to move on sometime...

 

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Why, indeed..

http://www.zeckensack.de/glide/ (zeckensack's glide wrapper)
http://www.warp2search.net/contentteller/news_story/glidos__3dfx_glide_emulator_for_dos.html (glide DOS emulator)
http://forums.emulator-zone.com/showthread.php?t=16384 (nGlide, 3dfx glide wrapper)
http://alpha.emulation64.com/Wrappers.html (a list of glide wrappers)
http://www.glideunderground.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=HTMLArticles&file=index&req=showcontent&id=89 (another list of glide wrappers)

EDIT: the lists have descriptions and pros / cons for different wrappers, check them out.

 

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It appears that voting is a bit one-sided.
Let's drop ME support then, 3.6.10 will do for them.
Maybe we should make a topic with instructions how to make FSO work on ME, it will contain all nessesary links (3.6.10, stable 3.6.11 with PP, etc.).
It should satisfy all of it's users out here.

I wouldn't go that far.  I'd say either 3.6.12 or 3.6.14 is the last and move on with 3.7.x being the cutoff for backward support.  So 3.6.x supports it and 3.6.7 moves on.  It's a good cutoff point. 
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Y'all should keep in mind Fury's original post: this is a poll for informational purposes, not a vote.  HLP is not a democracy and neither is the SCP.

 

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Offline Bobboau

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it's still supported?
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... Is it totalitarian?
More like a benevolent dictatorship. :p

 
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Oligarchy.

 

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Offline Kosh

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Err.. doesn't windows '98 have a memory cap of like 512MB anyways?  So SCP is probably going to outgrow it sooner or later in that regard alone.


The whole Windows 9x line had that limitation.

I'm amazed people some people here are still using 98/ME.
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There was a registry hack to get around it.  You could have more then 512 on ME but it only made use of it for certain things. 
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There was a registry hack to get around it.  You could have more then 512 on ME but it only made use of it for certain things. 

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The whole Windows 9x line had that limitation.

I'm amazed people some people here are still using 98/ME.


I'm amazed win9x is capable of running on modern hardware.
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Offline FUBAR-BDHR

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The whole Windows 9x line had that limitation.

I'm amazed people some people here are still using 98/ME.


I'm amazed win9x is capable of running on modern hardware.

Why?  MS-DOS 6.22 still does as do several other DOS OSes.  Granted you don't have much memory to play with anymore and network drivers are a pain in the butt to find but it will run. 
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Offline Kosh

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There was a registry hack to get around it.  You could have more then 512 on ME but it only made use of it for certain things. 


Really? Then again ME blew in so many other ways it wasn't worth it, 2k was far superior in every respect except dos support. Even in that area 98 was better.
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That's because 98 was just a GUI layer on top of DOS...
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Offline Fury

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You're thinking of Windows 1.0 - 3.11. Windows 95 was its own OS.

 

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Yeah, but it was easily possible to drop down to the command line to get access to a full-blown 16 bit DOS. While Win32 got started with 95, the old DOS API was still fully available in 95 and 98, making compatibility really easy.
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