[General Battuta]

Bear in mind that damage to players is reduced significantly on difficulties below Insane, and that warship turrets will fire at far below the tabled firing rate using normal AI profiles.

[headdie]

Bear in mind that damage to players is reduced significantly on difficulties below Insane, and that warship turrets will fire at far below the tabled firing rate using normal AI profiles.

the turrets refire is half the speed of a subach so while you are in the coverage area it is the rough equivalent of having 3 or so fighters after you firing out of a single gunbank

and that is per per turret firing at you

[Wanderer]

In general flak and beam weapons should not be mixed with other weapon types

[General Battuta]

Bear in mind that damage to players is reduced significantly on difficulties below Insane, and that warship turrets will fire at far below the tabled firing rate using normal AI profiles.

the turrets refire is half the speed of a subach so while you are in the coverage area it is the rough equivalent of having 3 or so fighters after you firing out of a single gunbank

and that is per per turret firing at you

The refire rate will be significantly lower than this in practice due to the random turret refire delay added to warships by the default AI profile.

This doesn't necessarily make the weapon balanced, but it's worth keeping in mind unless you're using something like the Fury AI.

[PeterDön]

Ok. I reduced the velocity of the weapon and increased it range, but still it explodes close to the ship and I'v noticed that if a fighter/bomber aproches the crusier from the top, ALL guns fire, even the bottom one just straight out and explodes maybe 100m or so from the ship. I messed around a little but got the same results. Something I'm missing?

Tried having a velocity of 700-2500 but same result. Incresed range from 2000 to 3800 but nothing.

$Name:                     Standard Flak
$Model File:               none            ;; flak weapons are invisible until they hit or explode, so this doesn't really matter   
$Mass:                     0.2
$Velocity:                  1800.0               ;; really fast - like AA fire
$Fire Wait:                  0.5               ;;
$Damage:                  10
$Blast Force:                    45.0
$Inner Radius:               30.0                                    ;; radius at which damage is full
$Outer Radius:               60.0                                    ;; max radius for attenuated damage
$Shockwave Speed:            0.0                                     ;; velocity of shockwave.  0 for none.
$Armor Factor:               1.0
$Shield Factor:               1.0
$Subsystem Factor:            0.2
$Lifetime:                  2.5
$Energy Consumed:            0.0
$Cargo Size:               1.0
$Homing:                  NO
$LaunchSnd:                  116
$ImpactSnd:                  117
+Weapon Range:               3800         ;; Limit to range at which weapon will actively target object
$Flags:                     ("Big Ship" "Flak" "particle spew" "cycle" "same turret cooldown" "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14)
$Icon:                     iconmissile06
$Anim:                     LoadMissile04
$Impact Explosion:            explo3
$Impact Explosion Radius:      50.0
$Muzzleflash:               mflash_small
$Pspew:
   +Count:   8
   +Time:   1
   +Vel:      0
   +Radius:   50.0
   +Life:   4.0
   +Scale:   20.0
        +Bitmap: Flak_trail

[headdie]

which cruiser are you using?

what happens if you use +Weapon Min Range:

[General Battuta]

Wait, hang on. I don't think altering weapon range does anything except alter the range at which the AI begins firing it.

You need to alter weapon lifetime instead.

[PeterDön]

Tried what you said, nope. Same thing....

$Name:                     Standard Flak
$Model File:               rockeye.pof            ;; flak weapons are invisible until they hit or explode, so this doesn't really matter   
$Mass:                     0.2
$Velocity:                  1800.0               ;; really fast - like AA fire
$Fire Wait:                  0.5               ;;
$Damage:                  10
$Blast Force:                    45.0
$Inner Radius:               30.0                                    ;; radius at which damage is full
$Outer Radius:               60.0                                    ;; max radius for attenuated damage
$Shockwave Speed:            0.0                                     ;; velocity of shockwave.  0 for none.
$Armor Factor:               1.0
$Shield Factor:               1.0
$Subsystem Factor:            0.2
$Lifetime:               5.5
$Energy Consumed:            0.0
$Cargo Size:               1.0
$Homing:                  NO
$LaunchSnd:                  116
$ImpactSnd:                  117
+Weapon Range:               3800         ;; Limit to range at which weapon will actively target object
+Weapon Min Range:                              2000
$Flags:                     ("Big Ship" "Flak" "particle spew" "cycle" "same turret cooldown" "Spawn Subach HL-7,  25")
$Icon:                     iconmissile06
$Anim:                     LoadMissile04
$Impact Explosion:            explo3
$Impact Explosion Radius:      50.0
$Muzzleflash:               mflash_small
$Pspew:
   +Count:   8
   +Time:   1
   +Vel:      0
   +Radius:   50.0
   +Life:   4.0
   +Scale:   20.0
        +Bitmap: Flak_trail

[headdie]

thing is the speed*life of the weapon puts it at 9900 meters as of last post and 4500 for the previous post so its not that.

what ship .pof are you using is it in the community or one done for your mod?

[PeterDön]

what ship .pof are you using is it in the community or one done for your mod?

Its the Aeolus crusier....

[Qent]

I'v noticed that if a fighter/bomber aproches the crusier from the top, ALL guns fire, even the bottom one just straight out and explodes maybe 100m or so from the ship.

That's caused by the "Spawn..." flag. Try adding the "smart spawn" flag (you need 3.6.11).

EDIT: And be careful with spawning a huge number of projectiles at one time. I've had that CTD for me before.

[PeterDön]

(you need 3.6.11)

Were do I get it?

[Jeff Vader]

(you need 3.6.11)

Were do I get it?

http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?board=173.0

[PeterDön]

Thanks, will try it....

[PeterDön]

Ok, did as you said but now the weapon wont even fire at all. I'm using this build: C:\freespace\fs2_open_3_6_11r_INF_SSE.exe

Here is the table:

$Name:                     Standard Flak
$Model File:               rockeye.pof            ;; flak weapons are invisible until they hit or explode, so this doesn't really matter   
$Mass:                     0.2
$Velocity:                  1800.0               ;; really fast - like AA fire
$Fire Wait:                  0.5               ;;
$Damage:                  10
$Blast Force:                    45.0
$Inner Radius:               30.0                                    ;; radius at which damage is full
$Outer Radius:               60.0                                    ;; max radius for attenuated damage
$Shockwave Speed:            0.0                                     ;; velocity of shockwave.  0 for none.
$Armor Factor:               1.0
$Shield Factor:               1.0
$Subsystem Factor:            0.2
$Lifetime:               5.5
$Energy Consumed:            0.0
$Cargo Size:               1.0
$Homing:                  NO
$LaunchSnd:                  116
$ImpactSnd:                  117
+Weapon Range:               3800         ;; Limit to range at which weapon will actively target object
+Weapon Min Range:                              2000
$Flags:                     ("Big Ship" "Flak" "particle spew" "cycle" "same turret cooldown" "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14 "smart spawn")
$Icon:                     iconmissile06
$Anim:                     LoadMissile04
$Impact Explosion:            explo3
$Impact Explosion Radius:      50.0
$Muzzleflash:               mflash_small
$Pspew:
   +Count:   8
   +Time:   1
   +Vel:      0
   +Radius:   50.0
   +Life:   4.0
   +Scale:   20.0
        +Bitmap: Flak_trail

[Dragon]

You're missing a quote at the end of: "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14
That should be: "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14"

[PeterDön]

You're missing a quote at the end of: "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14
That should be: "Spawn Subach HL-7, 14"

Thank you!!!!

[Dragon]

You need to be very carefull with tables, as typos are problematic and may cause table to stop working, but are easy to fix if you know where you might have made one.
You may use debug builds to track such errors down, they will also point you any other mistakes you might have made.

[PeterDön]

Thanks for the tip. Do you know any good tutorial how to mod explosions (flak exp, multiple exp, make them last longer)?

[The E]

http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/EFF#EFF

Altering the FPS value in the eff or the ani will do that.