[SpardaSon21]

Ah, how sharper than a serpent's tooth Axem's tongue is...

[Spoon]

Relentless offers a unique player experience. You can either grab popcorn, sit back and relax. OR, actively decide to be part of the action, almost like these new interactive horror movies they have going. The choice is yours! The choice is also optional.
The campaign is user friendly, no longer do you have to be ashamed when in the company of your peers. Hate it how they always talk about beating that awesome campaign but you never got past mission two? Well, that time is over! Victory and Failure are the same thing! Even when you lose, you win! Away shame! You too are now a winner!

Its innovating!

This is a feel good campaign for the whole family!

[Nuclear1]

This thread's going to make me OD on sarcasm.

[General Battuta]

See, Kappa, if you'd called this a 'public beta', all these lovely people would be giving you helpful tips instead of the ****ty testers you got stuck with. I am wise!  

I can tell you from experience that the best way to learn FRED is to do so by examining the missions of a better FREDder - I don't envy you having to go it alone, but you can always open missions from Derelict or the BWO demo or whatnot and check them out.  (Tip one: never use attack orders on capships, EVER! Except sometimes when it's useful, but that's very rare.)

The campaign should be playable as is after The_E's patch, so go for it, make up your own mind.

...

*pimpslaps Battuta*

WHY MUST YOU FOOL THE INNOCENTS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN POISONED?! Gah!

All right, 'playable' might be stretching it, but it shouldn't vomit asserts like it would have under 3.6.10/12 before.

Oh and for another tip: Kappa, good place to start for FREDders is Karajorma's FreeSpace Oracle.

For bonus points, scroll all the way down!

[General Battuta]

And may I remind everyone - although I do not have my global mod hat on - that the goal here is not to cause Kappa to ragequit forever, in spite of whatever claims he might have made to a perfect mission or a highly polished campaign. Let's try to keep the criticism above the belt.

[Axem]

Sorry to post again when I said I was leaving for good, but something was nagging me. I don't want to say it in a way that shames the campaign but I think we can all agree it is actually.. incomplete.

It is missing...

Voice Acting.

As a matter of honor and integrity, I cannot, under any circumstances, leave this community that I love, until I play this shining campaign with Voice Acting! Even if you do not wish to continue with the Relentless torch, I am sure there are many others who would gladly love to have the honor of Voice Acting Director for Relentless on their CV.

[Quanto]

I for one would love to lend my beautiful singing voice into this wholesome project.

[Nuclear1]

I want a duet.

[AndrewofDoom]

Make it a trio!

[General Battuta]

drama bomba has left the runway

Seriously, everyone keep a level head about you. It's spring, the HLP RAEGGGG juices are at high tide.

[Deka1184]

The last missions work fine in 3.6.10. You've already ruined it, so i wont bother with spoiler tags.

Into the void II or whatever, the player dies. just as hes dying, hes transferred into into the void III, which is a hallucinogenic experience that A1 experiences as hes dying. Into the void IV is just a cutscene of A1 blowing up in front of the lucifer, which immediatley ends the campaign. If it doesent work on 3.6.10 then I'm afraid The E or -Norbert- may have broken something while fixing the campaign, because the last string of missions works flawlessly all the times i've tested it.

Someone lock or delete this ****ing thread please, delete my new account while you're at it. You can be damn sure I will never make the mistake of posting at these boards again.

[General Battuta]

What you wanted to use on that mission was end-mission. End-campaign is a really bad idea since it triggers several hardcoded behaviors including (I believe?) playing the FS2 end cutscenes (though I'm not 100% sure on that last one.)

A better way to do it would probably have been with cutscene SEXPs, blowing up a proxy ship. You could then fade out all artsy-like.

[High Max]

I just deactivate video playback in the launcher when I'm not playing the main FS2 campaign.

[Nuclear1]

Kappa, I'm only being silly seeing as how I'm a couple thousand miles away from my FS computer.  I'll play it as soon as I get back, but I just can't do anything about it right now.

[Mongoose]

Y'know, the way this thread has unfolded has been really disappointing in a number of ways.

[General Battuta]

Bit of a cluster****, but honestly, I can't say it was any one individual's responsibility.

*shrug*

He clearly had a lot invested in the campaign and I think it came out a little earlier than it needed to. Standards are high of late, and one-man mod teams have it difficult, especially given the lack of proper documentation.

This whole affair highlights the need for me or The_E or a team to do a 'Before You Release Your Mod...' thread.

[achtung]

Alright, may as well end the discussion.  If anyone else feels they have input, feel free to notfiy.... someone.

[Black Wolf]

What the **** guys?

This is going to go down as one of the sadder little moments here on HLP I think. Someone posts a campaign - maybe not the greatest campaign ever, but still something he's put plenty of hard work into , and we get this. Seven pages of what is essentially ragging on the guy. Now yes, ideally he should have run the latest debug build over it and found the bugs, and yes there may have been table issues. But as far as I can tell from the comments (I haven't yet played the campaign) none of these were showstoppers. He beta tested the campaign in the version he felt was a safe and stable and then released it because it worked. Sure, when the errors were pointed out, things could have been handled better - Deka, you maybe need to think about how you handle criticism in a few cases. But nobody, with the exception of The E and Norbert - can really come away from this with their heads held high.

Seriously, and I shouldn't have to be reminding you people of this, especially those of you with project badges, but this is something he did on his own time, for his own amusement. If posts like these had come up on the Diaspora board, or the BP board or any of the hosted boards really, most of you would be jumping up and down to remind the poster of that fact. This is especially bad because you're going on about stuff like it's some kind of assumed knowledge where, as has been pointed out, there's no resources to help with the final release of a campaign anywhere, so people just have to muddle along. When mistakes get made, they're generally from ignorance rather than malice and yet people still get essentially driven away because of it.

I know that posting in a locked thread is a bit... less than ideal, because you lack right of reply. Tough. I hope that people read this, then go back and read their own posts and hopefully will think a little bit before we get this sort of a situation again.

[EDIT]It's been pointed out to me that using "Nobody" in the sense of "nobody, with the exception of The E and Norbert - can really come away from this with their heads held high" isn't fair. There are some people in here doing the right thing, with reasonable, constructive criticism or just non inflammatory comments. So to those people, I apologize for tarring you all with the same brush.