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Offline Kosh

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I didn't think it was very much in the Predator 'ethos' to have honour-based combat where one side is wearing the equivalent of several inches of steel plated armour, that really doesn't sound like the way I imagined them.

Edit: Though, in honesty, I never quite understood the Predators 'Thermonuclear Deathsplosion' either, why wipe out a large area simply because the hunt ended badly? That sort of goes against the image of them that was put forward as well, destroying the evidence of their existence, that I can understand, but that just seems a little over the top.


Well when we go on a hunt we often use camoflouge and scoped, high power rifles. The only difference being what they are hunting can shoot back at them. They also aren't covered head to toe in it, just certain areas. That being said they are already naturally extremely tough, in the 1987 film one took a medium calibur bullet to the leg and was still able to run away. Considering all that I'm not so sure a grenade would actually do much other than to possibly stun it if you're lucky.
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This is all about denying lesser species pred-tech.
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Or it's just because losing to a lesser species (like us) is a major dishonor. Perhaps both.
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Offline Scotty

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There's an interesting theory on the CBT forums about how these aren't "Hunter caste" Predators, and would use a different set of ethos during the hunt.

 

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An explody arrow that was shot at a pile of concealed explosives. It was fried because it was a lucky hit that fried its wrist computer, it still didn't do anything to its other armored sections. After all, it took several more of those and even though it was bleeding it STILL wouldn't go down.

This remains irrevelant to the fact that then, and now, the majority of the Predator's body is uncovered skin and as such he should be much more like a sieve then he actually does.
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This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.

 
This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.

'They couldn't PAY me to see this film.'  :P
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This movie was terrible, and I saw it for free. Kinda wanted to ask for my money back anyways.

Please, enlighten us on why.

 

Offline Kosh

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An explody arrow that was shot at a pile of concealed explosives. It was fried because it was a lucky hit that fried its wrist computer, it still didn't do anything to its other armored sections. After all, it took several more of those and even though it was bleeding it STILL wouldn't go down.

This remains irrevelant to the fact that then, and now, the majority of the Predator's body is uncovered skin and as such he should be much more like a sieve then he actually does.


Unless their skin is tougher. Just speculation though.

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There's an interesting theory on the CBT forums about how these aren't "Hunter caste" Predators, and would use a different set of ethos during the hunt.

Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.
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Offline General Battuta

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Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

how

this doesn't even

 

Offline Scotty

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Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

 :wtf:

Wait, I think I see how you could --

No, still :wtf:

 

Offline Snail

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Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

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this doesn't even
Ants have a caste system. :)

 

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Having a caste system would explain how they could create such advanced technology.

what

why

how

this doesn't even
Ants have a caste system. :)

So didn't the Prussian officer corps pre-1806 which was a contributing factor in their army collapsing when they first fought Napoleon.  :P
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you have a hunter cast, and a scholar cast, and an engineering cast, and a worker cast, the hunters could remain largely socially unchanged while the scholars and engineers make newer and more advanced spears.
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So didn't the Prussian officer corps pre-1806 which was a contributing factor in their army collapsing when they first fought Napoleon.  :P

You could make that point about every time Germany has lost a war.
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Well, maybe I was just spoiled by the books, but I certainly got the impression of Predators that, whilst they didn't mind an advantage, it still had to be a challenge to the point that simply walking out of a bush, strolling up to someone and killing them was not an option. I'd say armour strong enough to withstand 6 grandes is not exactly 'sporting' ;)

As Kosh pointed out, humans often highly outclass the creatures you hunt, but then, I've never really considered using nightscopes, camoflauge and a high-velocity rifle for hunting rabbits as a sport that carries much risk as such, but then, the Predators are not humans, they seem to need far more actual physical risk in their hunt.

A Caste system was mentioned in the books iirc, and that would also explain that mentality to a degree, caste systems, obviously, lean towards different skills depending on the caste, and that specialisation can lead to a search for perfection, sometimes to almost self-destructive levels. Take Spartans from ancient Greece as a good example of what happens when a caste becomes extremely specialised, Spartan warriors were some of the greatest in history, but they were also famous for being confident to the point of arrogance, famously, unwilling to withdraw from any fight, and yet, would also dislike having to fight a foe that was grossly inferior, believing there was no honour in a battle that could not be lost. Spartan initiation rituals were pretty brutal in nature, not all would-be warriors survived it, and that, to the Spartans, was how things should be, the weak would fall.

 

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Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.
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you have a hunter cast, and a scholar cast, and an engineering cast, and a worker cast, the hunters could remain largely socially unchanged while the scholars and engineers make newer and more advanced spears.


Which is really no different from what we consider a "career".


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Well, maybe I was just spoiled by the books, but I certainly got the impression of Predators that, whilst they didn't mind an advantage, it still had to be a challenge to the point that simply walking out of a bush, strolling up to someone and killing them was not an option. I'd say armour strong enough to withstand 6 grandes is not exactly 'sporting'

Exactly, which is why they hunt prey with machine guns or acidic blood or something like that. A grenade is not like C4, it kills mostly by shrapnel, which even with normal steel can be blocked. Now imagine what a superior metal could do.

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Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.

Except in this case there wouldn't be slave, they would choose when they are young which caste to join based on what they like.
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Spartans also couldn't deploy far afield from their city state else the slave caste that basically maintained everything (since Spartan males only knew war) would revolt.

Yup, the Thespians, assumed to be a people made up entirely of slaves from other races. Predators may have a 'worker' caste, in a similar fashion to Ants, and would not have that trouble if that were so, but, in reality, it's all speculation, I suppose the Films define the Universe, not vice-versa, I can say it 'seems' wrong, but if it's in the movie, what can I say? ;)

 

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Except in this case there wouldn't be slave, they would choose when they are young which caste to join based on what they like.

Then it's not a caste system. It's called 'getting a job'.