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Offline Crybertrance

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
But aren't the gefs against development?
Define "development". The gefs are very, very advanced in some specific areas. More so than the UEF and GTVA combined.

Hold on a sec, do they have some giant super-destroyer juggernaut that we haven't heard about yet?  :shaking:
Stupid gefs are hard enough fighting against as it is...(I blame you, Simitar!)
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
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<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 
Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
They are presumably far better and building, maintaining and living in self-sufficient space habitats than anyone else.
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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
But aren't the gefs against development?
Define "development". The gefs are very, very advanced in some specific areas. More so than the UEF and GTVA combined.

Hold on a sec, do they have some giant super-destroyer juggernaut that we haven't heard about yet?  :shaking:
Stupid gefs are hard enough fighting against as it is...(I blame you, Simitar!)

No. The Gef have absolutely no need for something so crude.
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
I said very advanced in some areas. Those areas do not include military technology, the Gefs are not an army.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
I would guess stuff that has to do with Stealth, electronic hacking and EMPs and so on.

 

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Or launching a headshot asteroid at enemy ships  ;7
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Offline Crybertrance

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
I would guess stuff that has to do with Stealth, electronic hacking and EMPs and so on.

From where did the gefs get funding and/or research for their advancement in stealth/emp tech. is beyond me. I pictured the gefs as some kind of crude piratey faction. :doubt:
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
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<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 

Offline Jellyfish

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
From where did the gefs get funding and/or research for their advancement in stealth/emp tech. is beyond me. I pictured the gefs as some kind of crude piratey faction. :doubt:
Raids on poorly defended scientific stations? Or they have their own scientists and mine the crap out of some asteroids to get funding.
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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
The Gefs are damn good at surviving in isolated space habitats which means waste reclamation, materials recycling, and everything else needed to survive in a really small closed system, and pretty good at genetics too since IIRC Battuta's said some Gef cells are no longer quite human.

They also have gigantic Hephaestus-class foundry ships that are the best imitations of a GSV they can pull off.
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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
I wouldn't pick out stealth, EMP, or electronic warfare as areas of particular Gef sophistication. Where the Gefs excel is in living where they do.

Remember that Kostadin cell is just one (conservative) element of Gef society. They've been expanding out into the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud for decades. They have an entirely spaceborne infrastructure, with access to both the riches and dangers that implies. While their ships and habitats remain crude, they've had to explore radical technologies to survive: von Neumann assembly, cloning, genetic engineering, radical cybernetic augmentation.

The deeper Gef factions are no longer tied to Iain MacDuff's agenda. They have their own transhumanist plans. Infighting is still constant, though, and the standard of living even among the radical Gef factions is fairly miserable by in-system standards.

 

Offline Luis Dias

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
Hm. So it's a kind of a post-singularity / post-apocalyptic kind of dystopian cyberpunk society within BPverse, contrasting as hell with earth. I was aiming more for underground pirate mafias that learned how to exploit security holes in the bigger Sol economy (thus the "hacking" angle). When I mentioned "stealth" I wasn't referring to high-end technological feats, but simpler stealth techniques that were based on experience, tenacity and general cleverness.

Von Neumann' **** hints at a very possible big danger lurking in the margins of Sol, like a virus that is only contained and restrained by the sheer lack of resources / energy they have available....

I like where this is headed. Multiple vectors and strategies may well imply that at least some form of humanity will be able to survive the Shivaggedon.

 
Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
If von Neumanns were practical in the FSverse don't you think one of the pre-Ancient victims of the Shivans would've tried using them?
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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
Iain MacDuff

Related to Quartermaster Colin Macduff?


 

Offline Crybertrance

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
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They also have gigantic Hephaestus-class foundry ships that are the best imitations of a GSV they can pull off.

Slightly off-topic, but what is a GSV? and where is it stated in the BP-verse about the Hephaestus class?
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
21:11:58   +++ ChanServ has given op to The_E
<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 
Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
GSVs are a thing from Iain M. Banks' Culture series; they're massive, self-sufficient habitat/constructor ships. (The name stands for General Service Vehicle, but that's not much help.)
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Offline MatthTheGeek

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
and where is it stated in the BP-verse about the Hephaestus class?
Knowing about the hephaestus is one of the many privileges of lurking in the #bp channel.
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Offline Crybertrance

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
and where is it stated in the BP-verse about the Hephaestus class?
Knowing about the hephaestus is one of the many privileges of lurking in the #bp channel.

Damn, I missed it then...Whenever I go onto #bp, everything is as dead as a bone!
<21:08:30>   Hartzaden fires a slammer at Cybertrance
<21:09:13>   Crybertrance pops flares, but wonders how Hartzaden acquired aspect lock on a stealth fighter... :\
<21:11:58>   *** The_E joined #bp [email protected]
21:11:58   +++ ChanServ has given op to The_E
<21:12:58>   Hartzaden continues to paint crybertrance and feeding the info to a wing of gunships
<21:14:07>   Crybertrance sends emergency "IM GETING MY ASS KICKED HERE!!!!eleventy NEED HELPZZZZ" to 3rd fleet command
<21:14:50>   Hartzaden jamms the transmission.
<21:14:51>   The_E explodes the sun

 
Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
I suppose it might be based off this.
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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
Nope. Very much no.
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Offline Luis Dias

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Re: SVN Commit of the Day/capship command discussion
If von Neumanns were practical in the FSverse don't you think one of the pre-Ancient victims of the Shivans would've tried using them?

The answer to this question is much more interesting and intriguing than one might initially think. I think of Von Neumanns obviously as "living beings" that could be obeying darwinian principles and so on. In darwinian speek, what you are saying is that there are a lot of strange attractors that might be funnelling the landscape of genetic solutions towards something ultimately impractical against Shivaggedon. A lot of odd questions can arise though.

First off, is that even true? Is it true that *no* species has managed to survive against the Shivans in this way? According to FS2verse and BPverse, we have not sufficient knowledge of the galactic landscape to know the answer to this question. So, possibilities abound. It is possible that many species have survived this way. It is even possible that many of these Von Neumann species have competed against each other for their own survival. It is possible that some, a few or even a single one of such species actually dominates the galactic landscape.

Another completely different possibility is that there is very little competition between these Von Neumann life forms, since obtaining resources for their very energy-efficient economies might not actually interfere with any other Von Neumann life forms. However, in the landscape of possibilities, if enough variety is achieved, you would expect some of them being more aggressive than others.

Many have already thought about Shivans and Vishnans *as* Neumann probes, or we could even say these denominations are too simplistic to even begin to define these higher webs of complexity. Perhaps one of the first intelligent beings in the Galaxy ended up creating such probes, and when a very aggressive species emerged from darwinian pressures, they started competing with each other. One darwinian strategy that may have emerged from natural selection pressures was precisely the genocidal strategy, where a species genocides an entire living species when it begins its warfaring before a new Neumann species is created by the organics.

Think of it as "Mass Effect done right".