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now that is something i miss, a well balanced varied turn based strategy but with a good plot and modern graphics

Civ V? Meets all those criteria, if you make your own good plot!

sorry i meant without the civilization management.  A bit of base building  and reinforcements would be ok
Ever try Sword of the Stars + expansions?

got SotS not got the expansion but that's a watered down 4x and the actual combat strategy is real time
Watered down?  I prefer to think of it as distilled to perfection.  The first two expansions add even more perfection, and the newest one adds more ship sections, including single-section designs like the Propaganda cruisers and the Zuul Devourer mobile factory.
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[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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now that is something i miss, a well balanced varied turn based strategy but with a good plot and modern graphics

Civ V? Meets all those criteria, if you make your own good plot!

sorry i meant without the civilization management.  A bit of base building  and reinforcements would be ok
Ever try Sword of the Stars + expansions?

got SotS not got the expansion but that's a watered down 4x and the actual combat strategy is real time
Watered down?  I prefer to think of it as distilled to perfection.  The first two expansions add even more perfection, and the newest one adds more ship sections, including single-section designs like the Propaganda cruisers and the Zuul Devourer mobile factory.

dont get me wrong its a good game and I love the fact that it includes a unit builder, but I think in terms of 4x with unit designers I would place Alpha Centauri + Alien Crossfire and Master of Orion 2 above SotS both in terms of their civilisation management and how the unit builders operate though having said that i like the "realism" of fixed firing points in SotS which MOO2 forgets.
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The combat AI isn't as unspeakably awful as Creative Assembly's, but it's pretty poor.

Which isn't new, exactly, but what is new is this tactical wargame stuff, which makes poor AI a more serious problem.

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got SotS not got the expansion but that's a watered down 4x and the actual combat strategy is real time

There's a lot more depth to it then apparent at the first glance. Also, get the expansion. Thay add A LOT. ;)
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I have played the basic game for years now, the diplomacy is quite basic the usual NAP, Aliance swap money, swap research points , there is no colony management aside from balancing production/infrastructure/income sliders.  the setup is geared towards a more fluid multiplay but it don't have the level of detail I like for single player which is what I do most of the time.

Good points for me of SotS
Ship designer
unique travel methods for each race
"realism" of fixed firing points as opposed to the omnipoint firing of the likes of MOO2
Semi-random tech tree for each player
Quick to setup a game
Fast flowing

Bad points for me of SotS
Basic Diplomacy, it lacks the ability to establish trade, swap research and you can only do one thing at a time
Basic Colony management, no building aside from ships
Only space combat is considered nothing about ground combat so the only way to conquer is to wipe out the population of the target planet
No species Customisation, MOO2 was awesome in this respect with a huge number of stats and abilities to fine tune.

I'm not saying SotS is a bad game, in fact is has many things in its favour, what I'm saying is that It lacs the depth on the civilisation management side for me to fully enjoy it for more than a few days at a time, as a multi play it is probably a blast and i imagine a lot faster pace than is the norm for 4x games.  What extras does the expansion add?
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I grew up playing Need For Speed, Civilization, and Freespace. So I'm really frikking excited.

That said, I'm gonna ask for it for Christmas before I drop $50 bucks on it.
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I have played the basic game for years now, the diplomacy is quite basic the usual NAP, Aliance swap money, swap research points , there is no colony management aside from balancing production/infrastructure/income sliders.  the setup is geared towards a more fluid multiplay but it don't have the level of detail I like for single player which is what I do most of the time.

Bad points for me of SotS
Basic Diplomacy, it lacks the ability to establish trade, swap research and you can only do one thing at a time
Basic Colony management, no building aside from ships
Only space combat is considered nothing about ground combat so the only way to conquer is to wipe out the population of the target planet
No species Customisation, MOO2 was awesome in this respect with a huge number of stats and abilities to fine tune.

I'm not saying SotS is a bad game, in fact is has many things in its favour, what I'm saying is that It lacs the depth on the civilisation management side for me to fully enjoy it for more than a few days at a time, as a multi play it is probably a blast and i imagine a lot faster pace than is the norm for 4x games.  What extras does the expansion add?
There are two expansions, and one ship pack.  The first one adds a new race, more diplomacy, interstellar trade, and slaving, but only for that new race,, mining ships, and of course new and cooler weapons.  The second one adds diplomacy, complete with a xenotech research branch with a tree for each race, civilians, another new race, inter-empire trade, the ability to demand planetary and empire surrenders, space stations, and of course more and cooler weapons.

Chances are you wouldn't like Argos Naval Yards as that is only a ship and weapon pack that only adds new ways to send your foes to meet their maker.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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fair enough, looks like i will be keeping my eyes open for them then
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Mind if I ask how  it's running?  Civ IV had a pretty unassuming engine that didn't require too much computing power, but the trailers for V make me a little nervous.  I know it's turn-based, so a consistent framerate isn't a deal-breaker.  Still, has anyone here tried to play Civ V on 2007 hardware?
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Buy them off GamersGate, Steam, or Impulse.  Grab the new Complete Collection as it has everything if you want everything, or just grab the Ultimate Edition if you only want SotS+BoB+AMoC.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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Mind if I ask how  it's running? 
There's a demo. Download it and find out.

No, really. Apparently it's inconsistent; I know a guy way below min spec who had no problems, but other people do.
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For anyone who has it, does the turn limit still exist, ie the game ends in year xxxx, or did they finally have the common sense to get rid of it?
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Nope, game still officially ends in 2050.

 
A friend of mine bought it and...

Apparently it not only requires Steam, but that's all the disk has on it: Steam. You need to download the whole game, even if you bought a boxed version in the store.

There might be multiple versions of the boxed copy, but that's what he told me. So if you go out to get it, make sure to read the box closely.

 

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Mind if I ask how  it's running?  Civ IV had a pretty unassuming engine that didn't require too much computing power, but the trailers for V make me a little nervous.  I know it's turn-based, so a consistent framerate isn't a deal-breaker.  Still, has anyone here tried to play Civ V on 2007 hardware?

I'm playing it on low-quality hardware. It works fine, just don't alt-tab.
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I have played the basic game for years now,

Get the expansions. They expand on trade and diplomacy, improve pretty much EVERYTHING.
Seriously, the game is like SCP - it just keeps getting better with each new update (nobody uses the word patch) and expansion.

Oh, the reason there's no planetary invasion is because SOTS is set in an early era of space empires. Invasion is a massive investment of time, money and resources, and it quite frankly doesn't pay off. You got a whole PLANET full of guerilla fighters. I would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like an insignificant speck of dust.

And species customization? Nice, but I find the races in SOTS to be so utterly diverse, than a simplistic +1/-1 bonuses/penalties to trade/espionage or whatever just pale in front of it.
Playing with another race is like playing a new game.
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A friend of mine bought it and...

Apparently it not only requires Steam, but that's all the disk has on it: Steam. You need to download the whole game, even if you bought a boxed version in the store.

There might be multiple versions of the boxed copy, but that's what he told me. So if you go out to get it, make sure to read the box closely.

Huh. That kinda sucks for me, since I still haven't grown a pair and asked my parents about getting Steam on our computer.
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I have played the basic game for years now,

Get the expansions. They expand on trade and diplomacy, improve pretty much EVERYTHING.
Seriously, the game is like SCP - it just keeps getting better with each new update (nobody uses the word patch) and expansion.

Oh, the reason there's no planetary invasion is because SOTS is set in an early era of space empires. Invasion is a massive investment of time, money and resources, and it quite frankly doesn't pay off. You got a whole PLANET full of guerilla fighters. I would make Iraq and Afghanistan look like an insignificant speck of dust.

And species customization? Nice, but I find the races in SOTS to be so utterly diverse, than a simplistic +1/-1 bonuses/penalties to trade/espionage or whatever just pale in front of it.
Playing with another race is like playing a new game.
Exactly.  You cannot play as the Humans even remotely close to the way you would play as the Liir, Tarkas, or Hivers.  The differences get even more extreme when you think about the Morrigi or Zuul.
17:37:02   Quanto: I want to have sexual intercourse with every space elf in existence
17:37:11   SpardaSon21: even the males?
17:37:22   Quanto: its not gay if its an elf

[21:51] <@Droid803> I now realize
[21:51] <@Droid803> this will be SLIIIIIGHTLY awkward
[21:51] <@Droid803> as this rich psychic girl will now be tsundere for a loli.
[21:51] <@Droid803> OH WELLL.

See what you're missing in #WoD and #Fsquest?

[07:57:32] <Caiaphas> inspired by HerraTohtori i built a supermaneuverable plane in ksp
[07:57:43] <Caiaphas> i just killed my pilots with a high-g maneuver
[07:58:19] <Caiaphas> apparently people can't take 20 gees for 5 continuous seconds
[08:00:11] <Caiaphas> the plane however performed admirably, and only crashed because it no longer had any guidance systems

 

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So how is Civ V working out for people? I don't have a budget for it right now but all this talk about Civilization made me want to try and install Civ II. It doesn't work on 64bit OS'es without an extreme amount of trickery. I tried the demo of Civ IV whenever that came out and I didn't like that at all... it was too divergent from the more simple setup for Civ II. I hear Civ V might fit the bill as they simplified a lot of things in a smart way.
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Played Civ2 & 4 recently and I think that 4 is far more userfriendly. Really looked forward to the fifth part. But I'll wait until they release a Complete-Package with all Add-Ons for Civ5 until I buy it ;)
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