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Offline Scotty

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Re: The future is bull****
Well, it did have something to do with the discussion, sort of.  It brought the whole thing to a screeching halt. :p

 

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If everyone gets replaced by free labor, what's the incentive for companies to keep making stuff? Nobody has any money to buy it anymore.
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Eventually the incentive would have to be for fun and good will. I say great, but the transition to that kind of society will be hard.

EDIT: and fame, people seem to like that almost as much as money.
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So getting an illegal copy is what we should do? :confused:

I'll just stick to open code projects for now.
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How are you supposed to value anything if its all free?  Say I want a motorcycle.  I need to work so many hours to earn the money to buy it.  That motorcycle now has the value of the effort I went into earning it plus whatever enjoyment I get out of using it.  Because I have invested time an effort to attain it I'm going to respect and take care of it.  You think it will have the same value if all I need to do is walk up to some replicator box in my living room and get a free motorcycle?  No. 
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well, in that situation it's value will have gone down dramatically, it would not simply be the perception of it's value.
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I suppose that's part of the problem though, we are conditioned to value things based on the 'price', be that physical effort or numerical loss of 'money'.

It's only partly corporatism that is to blame for that, the main factor, in my opinion, is human nature. We love to value things by how much it 'hurt' us to obtain it. Sometimes, that is perfectly understandable, family heirlooms 'hurt' as in they are a reminder of those who have gone and can never return, Privacy is a very difficult thing to deal with as well, if someone walked into your house and stole something, does it matter if you can replace it for free? Maybe, maybe not, but the invasion of Privacy is a thing that cannot be easily defined from the viewpoint of ownership.

We've had the concept of 'Right of Ownership' since we sat in trees and screamed at other monkeys, but the digital world changes that in some ways, all of a sudden, as the article states, we can make exact copies of certain things for practically no cost.

As Starslayer points out, something that is gained without effort is not respected, but is that a problem with society, or a problem with people?

 

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As Starslayer points out, something that is gained without effort is not respected, but is that a problem with society, or a problem with people?

 :blah:

Society is people...

 

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Is it though? A society is made of people, it requires people to exist, but is society truly an amalgamation of everyone in it and nothing else?

It's an interesting question, because, in order for a society to be a society, it needs a set of values, rules and beliefs that are unique to that mindset. Do people shape societies, or do societies shape people (the truth is probably a little bit of both). I personally consider a society an environment, not a physical one, but a mental one.

 

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I dunno I tend to think working, excelling, and reaping the rewards of that effort is hardwired into our crotch.  As you said we've been screaming at each other over trees since we've been monkeys, same as Stallions on the plains or wolves in a pack.  I don't know how that biological imperative meshes in a world where their is no labor/reward system.
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How are you supposed to value anything if its all free?  Say I want a motorcycle.  I need to work so many hours to earn the money to buy it.  That motorcycle now has the value of the effort I went into earning it plus whatever enjoyment I get out of using it.  Because I have invested time an effort to attain it I'm going to respect and take care of it.  You think it will have the same value if all I need to do is walk up to some replicator box in my living room and get a free motorcycle?  No.  

Really? I would value it based on its usefulness and how much I enjoy it, not based on what I had to do to get it. If that were true buying something overpriced would make you feel better than buying it for less.

 
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How about I just give you the first place ribbon in the Olympic hundred-yard dash and see how you like that?  Not enjoyable?  That's because it cost you nothing.
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I value things based on how little effort they take to get. :)
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I value things based on how little effort they take to get. :)

you must have an awfully high opinion of yourself

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something that is gained without effort is not respected, but is that a problem with society, or a problem with people?

or is it a problem at all?


If that were true buying something overpriced would make you feel better than buying it for less.

water.
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How about I just give you the first place ribbon in the Olympic hundred-yard dash and see how you like that?  Not enjoyable?  That's because it cost you nothing.

That's the thing, effort and reward has been the centre of human thinking for thousands of years. Even before we invented money, we had bartering, you surrendered one thing to gain something else. That's why it is extremely rare for someone, regardless of how wealthy they are, to simply turn around and say 'Well, that's enough money for me!'

There's also the extra human factor of infuence, money means influence, and that could even possibly be one of the main factors in our unwillingness to consider the idea of a world without it. Nowadays, the Alpha Male is not defined by physical strength, exterting influence through threat of violence is looked down upon these days, instead there is financial power, and those with it are highly unlikely to be willing to give up that power.

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or is it a problem at all?

It's another interesting question isn't it? Those who gain something for nothing these days are often regarded as criminals, and we are still a very long way from a world where we can comfortably give stuff away for free, regardless of what that article states, it mostly talks of luxuries like books and software, but the true basis of any stable society are the essentials such as food, water and housing, and none of those seem likely to fall into the 'duplicable' category for some time yet.

 

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The reason people buy water when they could get for almost free is marketing and convenience. Not only is bottled water perceived as better than tap, its also more convenient than buying several reusable containers and filing them ourselves. Its stupid but we are lazy and just don't bother.

As for the Olympics, that is something completely different, its not a commodity and sure isn't productive labor.

Basically we would have to end up having a gift economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_economy

 

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Things that come for free are not necessarily taken as non-valuable, the difference is whether you can get a replacement or not.
Also to consider:
The use we give to things makes it important, the effect time has over things also counts.
A new costly item bought recently is bound to be treated more delicately than some other item with the same price bought two years prior.
The replacement of said article will hurt, but we feel we've not been fooled with the price paid before.
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Guys, guys...you're all missing the real point of why the future will be bull****.  We still won't have ****ing flying cars.  The Jetsons lied to us.   :mad:

I value things based on how little effort they take to get. :)

you must have an awfully high opinion of yourself

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