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Crystal, do Cyrvan females have periods?

(probably redundant)

"No."

So wait a minute, Periods are a functional byproduct of the reproductive process, how in the hell can Cyrvans and Humans crossbreed if the Cyrvans reproductive system is so vastly different?
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Quote from: Crystal

Crystal, do Cyrvan females have periods?

(probably redundant)

"No."

So wait a minute, Periods are a functional byproduct of the reproductive process, how in the hell can Cyrvans and Humans crossbreed if the Cyrvans reproductive system is so vastly different?

Menses are one way of handling a particular engineering challenge. Cyrvan biology could have tackled the same problem in a way that doesn't necessitate cycling.

 

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So wait a minute, Periods are a functional byproduct of the reproductive process, how in the hell can Cyrvans and Humans crossbreed if the Cyrvans reproductive system is so vastly different?

The man has a bit of a point. It would suggest, at least, that sterility might result in female mixed-race people. Or worse things like randomly bleeding out and dying through your naughty bits because you're not really designed to do that.
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So wait a minute, Periods are a functional byproduct of the reproductive process, how in the hell can Cyrvans and Humans crossbreed if the Cyrvans reproductive system is so vastly different?

The man has a bit of a point. It would suggest, at least, that sterility might result in female mixed-race people. Or worse things like randomly bleeding out and dying through your naughty bits because you're not really designed to do that.

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Menstruation is the shedding of the uterine lining. It doesn't involve the direct loss of arterial blood through some kind of gaping womb wound. Overt menstruation of the human type is fairly rare in mammals, and it's a common misconception that other mammals (like dogs, for instance) have 'periods' in the human sense. The Cyrvans probably simply reabsorb the uterine lining internally, a process called covert menstruation.

Either way you're just disposing of the uterine lining one way or another. It's doubtful it'd cause any fatal flaws in hybrids. Sterility, sure, but that's par for the course.
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So wait a minute, Periods are a functional byproduct of the reproductive process, how in the hell can Cyrvans and Humans crossbreed if the Cyrvans reproductive system is so vastly different?

The man has a bit of a point. It would suggest, at least, that sterility might result in female mixed-race people. Or worse things like randomly bleeding out and dying through your naughty bits because you're not really designed to do that.

w-w-w-w-

Menstruation is the shedding of the uterine lining. It doesn't involve the direct loss of arterial blood through some kind of gaping womb wound. Overt menstruation of the human type is fairly rare in mammals, and it's a common misconception that other mammals (like dogs, for instance) have periods. The Cyrvans probably simply reabsorb the uterine lining internally, a process called covert menstruation.

Either way you're just disposing of the uterine lining one way or another. It's doubtful it'd cause any fatal flaws in hybrids. Sterility, sure, but that's par for the course.

The biology student has been saved from having to explain this himself. Cheers Batts, some of the misconceptions that others had about menses were kinda scary.
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Menstruation is the shedding of the uterine lining. It doesn't involve the direct loss of arterial blood through some kind of gaping womb wound.

Your point? Before you even try to talk about it, name me one hybridized animal that comes from a  period/non-period species pair and what if any problems it has. (The main one is there aren't any.)

This is a hybridized creature. Its biology is totally unknown to us, considering we have no examples to base a guess on, and may not exactly mesh well. Menstruation is something Cryvans don't do, so if their body is suddenly subjected to then need, your attempt to state that it won't result in serious problems is, at best, silly.  I mean, I could change it to resulting in a womb full of dead bits floating around that aren't being properly expelled and are necrotic and massive infection. That's also possible.

We're discussing two incompatible systems and you want to say that they won't do something possibly catastrophic if they're mashed together? That's bull****.
 
Overt menstruation of the human type is fairly rare in mammals, and it's a common misconception that other mammals (like dogs, for instance) have 'periods' in the human sense.

Aware of this, still waiting on that point.

The Cyrvans probably simply reabsorb the uterine lining internally, a process called covert menstruation.

Either way you're just disposing of the uterine lining one way or another. It's doubtful it'd cause any fatal flaws in hybrids. Sterility, sure, but that's par for the course.

Still waiting on that applicable point to the discussion.

Yes because we're not discussing an alien life form at all and all our experience with hybridized creatures from Earth is totally applicable!

Oh wait.
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It's all Spoon's fault for not thinking it through!

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w-w-w-w-

Menstruation is the shedding of the uterine lining. It doesn't involve the direct loss of arterial blood through some kind of gaping womb wound.

Your point? Before you even try to talk about it, name me one hybridized animal that comes from a  period/non-period species pair and what if any problems it has. (The main one is there aren't any.)

This is a hybridized creature. Its biology is totally unknown to us, considering we have no examples to base a guess on, and may not exactly mesh well. Menstruation is something Cryvans don't do, so if their body is suddenly subjected to then need, your attempt to state that it won't result in serious problems is, at best, silly.  I mean, I could change it to resulting in a womb full of dead bits floating around that aren't being properly expelled and are necrotic and massive infection. That's also possible.

We're discussing two incompatible systems and you want to say that they won't do something possibly catastrophic if they're mashed together? That's bull****.
 
Overt menstruation of the human type is fairly rare in mammals, and it's a common misconception that other mammals (like dogs, for instance) have 'periods' in the human sense.

Aware of this, still waiting on that point.

The Cyrvans probably simply reabsorb the uterine lining internally, a process called covert menstruation.

Either way you're just disposing of the uterine lining one way or another. It's doubtful it'd cause any fatal flaws in hybrids. Sterility, sure, but that's par for the course.

Still waiting on that applicable point to the discussion.

Yes because we're not discussing an alien life form at all and all our experience with hybridized creatures from Earth is totally applicable!

Oh wait.

Do you have a form letter you use? If so, it's overapplied. Trying to start fights out of every disagreement will in the long run be less successful than only supplying a few. Picking a few arguments to work on will prevent you from being screened out as noise and get you more results.

Both the Cyrvan and the human parents have a mechanism to handle the uterine lining. If they produce hybrids, it's perfectly conceivable that they would inherit one mechanism or the other, rather than no mechanism at all.

Your error in particular is here:
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Menstruation is something Cryvans don't do, so if their body is suddenly subjected to then need
You misconstrued the 'need'; the need is to handle the uterine lining, and the Cyrvan biology already handles that. That was addressed in the post you quoted, here:
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Either way you're just disposing of the uterine lining one way or another. It's doubtful it'd cause any fatal flaws in hybrids. Sterility, sure, but that's par for the course.

If your feelings are hurt because people think you're thick regarding menstruation, sorry?

 

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Thread locked.

Battuta vs NGTM-1R round BIGNUM concludes.
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Both the Cyrvan and the human parents have a mechanism to handle the uterine lining. If they produce hybrids, it's perfectly conceivable that they would inherit one mechanism or the other, rather than no mechanism at all.
This
and yes, hybrids are fertile

Thread locked.

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« Last Edit: December 01, 2010, 10:42:36 am by Spoon »
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I'm gonna unlock this, I can always splitlock it out as per standing policy if necessary. This thread shouldn't be kilt.

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It's all Spoon's fault for not thinking it through!

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I apologize for not having a major in biology 
And you should know by now that I'm more than willing to put realism aside if it suits my purposes :p
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If the two species are not only capable of hybridization, but fertile hybridization, the genetic similarities must be pretty striking, with probably less than the equivalent of 5 million years of divergence. The somatic similarities attest to this as well.

Makes me wonder about either common ancestry or convergent design - but the Cyrvans hardly biomodified themselves, so I wonder if there's a shared origin somewhere upstream.

 

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There appears to be a missing post.

I apologize for not having a major in biology 
And you should know by now that I'm more than willing to put realism aside if it suits my purposes :p

Hey, I'm cool with that, but don't look surprised when you get called on it. :P If you have to go "lulzcreatorfiat" that's valid enough...well, to a point. We're still short of it, it's cool. :P

Makes me wonder about either common ancestry or convergent design - but the Cyrvans hardly biomodified themselves, so I wonder if there's a shared origin somewhere upstream.

Well, you might recall that Dawn was biomodified based on, apparently, an alien being kept on Luna, and get mighty suspicious.
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Well, you might recall that Dawn was biomodified based on, apparently, an alien being kept on Luna, and get mighty suspicious.

Yeah, that was the theory I tossed at Spoon a couple seconds ago on the WoD dev channel. But he's silent on the topic.

 

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Yeah that got posted after I split. I deleted it because it followed the path of "on the person" instead of "on the ball" (Yes, I realize Battuta is quilty of this too).
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